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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Single sex birthday parties

234 replies

15thaugust · 28/02/2016 15:24

My daughter who is only 5 came home a bit upset as she hasn't been invited to one of her classmates parties 'because he's having a football party and has only invited boys' she likes him, likes football and also said to me 'I invited him to my party' so feels aggrieved. Another girl in her class is having only the girls for a craft party. I am furious with the lazy-brained parents who can't see anything wrong with this! I haven't said anything yet to either child's parents, but it's only a matter of time and opportunity!

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treaclesoda · 02/03/2016 06:58

If I wanted to take my DDs entire class to a free museum or a park or the beach for a free day out I'd have to hire a bus to transport them all (because I wouldn't want to be the subject of an AIBU about how a cheeky mother has invited everyone to the museum but it's 30 miles away). Which would cost hundreds of pounds.

This is why most of DDs class do parties for four close friends - the number that one parent can safely fit in a car. But since each of the children is only choosing really close friends rather than 'people I like to run round the playground with' they are nearly always single sex gatherings. Have we failed our children by living somewhere that it is impossible to do a free day out for 30 kids? Hmm

PosieReturningParker · 02/03/2016 07:06

"I would be frankly ashamed if my child only had friends of one gender"

This is rather funny. Kids choose who their friends are. My dd is the only one in our family of six who only has friends her own sex. I'm not ashamed, all credit to her.

Lweji · 02/03/2016 07:42

Throwing some wood into the fire. And btw, I think this is a stealth thread by the op. Very little to do with parties.

It feels (but could be very wrong) like a biological need that boys and girls tend to segregate themselves at certain ages. There's some evidence that incest is overall prevented by establishing brain barriers in the first few years in relation to people we grow up with. Perhaps boys and girls need some segregation in the process of developing their own sexuality. And certainly gender, which I think it's a biproduct.(disclaimer: I'm just a biologist and tend to start from there)

Bambambini · 02/03/2016 07:51

"logical oh just actual experience of HE. In our local group children invite all the kids in a specific family regardless of gender or age, or more usually invite the whole group.

IF you can't afford to put on an activity for all the kids in the group then you just go to the beach or a (free) museum for the day and add cake.

It isn't hard to be inclusive if you aren't lazy."

Or as you sound - a bit controlling. So you invite or tell your child who they have at their party? All your group who you chose, all the siblings of different ages and sex - so what you have decided. And you think everyone else is lazy?

Nothing wrong with museums if that is what your child really, really wants. My sons prefer lazerquest or paintballing.

Bambambini · 02/03/2016 08:03

"Fwiw, dd (4) is having a predominantly craft-based birthday party, with predominantly male attendance. I imagine there will be some crafting, some crying, some hitting each other with balloons, and much consumption of cake!"

Yes, it was so much easier at that age when you could take it into your own hands more and just hire a hall, bouncy castle, soft play. I used to invite the whole class (less than 20) so easy. As they get older (and now class of 30) and know more what they want and who they want - it gets a lot harder. I won't make my child invite a girl just to be right on when he either doesn't want to or it would mean dropping another close friends.he has invited the odd girl but if he wants 10 boys in the class and there are 3 being left out - i try to include these boys so they don't feel left out. The girls seem absolutely ok with this.

BarbarianMum · 02/03/2016 11:23

"I would be frankly ashamed if my child only had friends of one gender"

I find that attitude rather bizarre. But as my sons both have close friends of both sexes, I wouldn't allow them to exclude those friends from their birthday party on the basis of their sex. They choose the type of party but if someone is a good friend to you, you don't get to not invite them citing that "girls/boys don't like x."

Lweji · 02/03/2016 11:38

IF you can't afford to put on an activity for all the kids in the group then you just go to the beach or a (free) museum for the day and add cake.

The problem is "all the kids in the group"

What group?
DS has:
school mates
football mates
sunday school mates
previous after school mates
previous school mates (having changed class this year to a new school)

The group would easily go to about 70. Only if I was nuts would I cater for that sort of group.

He picks friends he likes best from any of those groups to actually spend time with on his birthday.

Lweji · 02/03/2016 11:40

OTOH I challenge him on why if three girls and three boys go for lunch at the same time, how come they end up in two groups segregated by sex. Doh!

But I can't force him to insist that they all sit together when at school.

Lweji · 02/03/2016 11:41

Sorry for the repeat posts, but, also:
I would be frankly ashamed if my child only had friends of one gender

That's the type of thing we can say when it doesn't happen to us. Grin

It reminds me of the parents who say that their child will never... and then it happens.

KERALA1 · 02/03/2016 11:57

Exactly Lweji! And if you meddle you are one of "those" helicoptering horrors who gets over involved in their child's friendships! So you can't win!

I have (with the same upbringing) one DD who has been strictly girls only from the off and never had a male friend, the other is friends with all boys, the odd girl. Loving that I should be "ashamed" of myself because of DD1's friendship choices over which I (rightly) have no control!

BarbarianMum · 02/03/2016 12:08

I do think parents play a part though. If you tease your dd about playing with the boys, or shout at your ds for wanting to play dress up with the girls, or automatically enroll your dd in dance and gymnastics (because that's what girls do) or insist your ds plays football on a Saturday - or any other variation on the gender laden fuckwittery enacted on our children each day - then you are, in fact, increasing the likelihood that they will only have friends of the same sex. I do believe that the degree of sexual segegation we see in our playgrounds and schools is far more heavily due to nurture than nature, although elements of both are present.

KERALA1 · 02/03/2016 12:11

I resent being accused of any of the above listed twattish behaviour.

On the other hand I am not going to sacrifice my daughter's social life to prove my feminist right on credentials either.

Lweji · 02/03/2016 12:21

For example, the only activity DS has been engaged in that is virtually all male is football. Even so they have a girl there who is a good player too. It's something that he has decided he likes and pestered me to do it.

Even the self defense class he was in had many girls, including the adult classes, and I participated in them too.

DS still chooses to socialise mainly with boys.

KERALA1 · 02/03/2016 12:31

So what should the right thinking feminist mother do if her 9 year old insists on an all female (or male) friendship group, apart from feeling dreadfully ashamed?

Insist on inviting boys anyway despite protestations? Do you yourselves ensure that there are always men included when you meet up with friends - just to be inclusive? Interested to hear actually.

BarbarianMum · 02/03/2016 12:49

I wasn't accusing you or anyone else on this thread KERALA1 But you surely have come across such attitudes?

almondpudding · 02/03/2016 13:50

Sex segregation seems to happen at quite specific times though. Four year olds don't usually segregate by sex, eight years olds usually do and thirteen year olds usually don't.

If it is down to socialisation, why does it strike at that particular age?

I also think it is about groups of the opposite sex, not individuals. Children often have opposite sex best friends out of school but find a whole group of opposite sex children overwhelming. I think home schooling is a red herring. People (including adults) act differently when they spend most days in group environments. They start to form smaller groups within the larger group.

mathanxiety · 02/03/2016 18:50

Funny how feminist now is supposed to mean including men or boys, as if girls or women are letting men and boys down if we don't include them, or as if a group of girls or women is deficient if males are not included.

"I would be frankly ashamed if my child only had friends of one gender"
Presumably your child is quite young still?

They are free to choose their friends in my family and can use any criteria they want when choosing, and I am not ashamed of any of their choices or their criteria.

DD1 chose nerdy girls from the hippie fringe of her class from age 5 to 13. About age 13 she turned into the queen of prep, and she and her friends went to different secondary schools. She became friends with a girl from her primary school whom she had never had much in common with up to then and they are BFFs now (aged 26). DD2 chose nerdy girls from very devout Catholic families of German heritage from age 5 to 13. They are all still friends though their circle has widened considerably and includes many boys Shock (men now since they are 20). DD3 chose a wide variety of girls from age 5 to 13 though she had one close friend from whom she has drifted apart in secondary as they were never in class together or at the same lunch. Weirdly, most of her current friends are dedicated dancers though she herself has never danced apart from two years doing Irish dancing. DD4 chose a wide variety of girls who had in common the fact that they were all only children. I wondered what she was trying to tell me, as she is the youngest of five.

The DDs all enjoyed their friendships, their fights (in hindsight), the sharing of interests, being in girl scouts, being on girls' sports teams. They learned lots from spending time with other families, and had a good time with their friends at home too.

DS had different groups of friends in primary, all boys. He felt a bit intimidated by the girls in his class, all very kickass, bright, outgoing girls. There was a group of (boy) jocks that he hung around with for a while but drifted out of. He didn't enjoy being mashed into the ground during an afternoon of football. The boys all knocked together well in secondary, which was the time when DS settled into one particular group of boys, all of whose members he had known in primary school. They are all still friends even now after university when they went their separate ways, and spend a lot of time together, though the circle widened to include girls long before they all went off to university. Their interests as teenagers included Lord of the Rings, nerf darts, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, basketball, football, baseball, football, hockey, hockey, hockey, hockey. (Did I mention sports? Did I mention hockey?). DS as an individual added cavalry and artillery of WW2 to the previously stated interests in his teen years.

Should I have forced DS to take an interested in clothes shopping? Should I have forced him to be as interested in art as DD1 was? Should I have forced DD1 to become familiar with the marvel of engineering known as the T-34 tank? Should I have forced DD4 to be as interested in art as DD1 was? Should I have forced DD1 to ditch the preppy outfits and dress like DD2 in neon t-shirts and sport shorts and sweatpants?

There were girls in their classes and on teams with whom the DDs never clicked, and girls who were pretty much soulmates. DS for his part gravitated to boys who were interested in highly technical details of whatever they were doing. There were boys who were very different from him and personality-wise they had little in common and they did not spend time together. It's a bit ridiculous to suggest this is a case of all girls being friends together vs. all boys being friends together. There is a lot of discrimination within sex segregated groups.

KERALA1 · 02/03/2016 19:31

"I would be frankly ashamed if my child only had friends of one gender"

Wonder if this is actually one of the daftest things I have read on mums net!

Exactly mathanxiety.

almondpudding · 02/03/2016 19:48

'Funny how feminist now is supposed to mean including men or boys, as if girls or women are letting men and boys down if we don't include them, or as if a group of girls or women is deficient.'

Indeed. But this seems to crop up more and more. The notion that feminism is about women and especially girls doing exactly the same things as men and boys, rather than it being about women and girls having rights.

cuntycowfacemonkey · 02/03/2016 20:01

This is the first year ds is having all boys to his birthday party and is only because as he's got older I've reduced the numbers. If he could still invite half the class there would definitely be girls coming but as he can only choose 6 this year he's chosen friends who happen to be boys.

I have two ds's and have that ds1's class has always had a mix of girls and boys at parties right up to year 6 but ds2's class seemed to stop being mixed after yr1. I blame Frozen myself.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 02/03/2016 20:34

I would be frankly ashamed if my child only had friends of one gender

I'm so glad other posters have pointed out what utter tosh this is.

JasperDamerel · 03/03/2016 13:42

We aren't talking about children whose friends are all boys or all girls but more about the way in which girls whose friends are mostly boys or boys whose friends are mostly girls get excluded when parents hold gender-specific parties.

Hellywelly10 · 05/03/2016 17:31

When my daughter was very young she invited a couple of boys to her party. Now only girls. I'd love to invite the whole class this is the only way to be truly inclusive. However I'm not prepared to invest the energy or money so it's not going to happen. If my daughter is invited to a party I'll just enjoy the free child care.

jellybean2000 · 05/03/2016 17:45

DS2 is having 7 children to his 7th party - 6 boys and 1 girl.
The only remark he has made about the girl was to ask whether he needed to invite her twin sister (I said he didn't).

It's at soft play where he plans to spend the play time in the football area.

Gender didn't even enter his head, or if it did it wasn't an issue worth mentioning.

Lweji · 05/03/2016 17:48

We aren't talking about children whose friends are all boys or all girls but more about the way in which girls whose friends are mostly boys or boys whose friends are mostly girls get excluded when parents hold gender-specific parties.

Who's "we"?

We don't even know if the case mentioned in the OP is a parent holding a gender specific party. It could be the child insisting on only having boys (like my DS this year).