Gender Identity Specialists warn of “ever increasing tide” of Transwoman Sex Offenders

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The British Association of Gender Identity Specialists have agreed with radfems about the transgender movement attracting sexual predators. They claim to have dealt with an increasing number of incarcerated sexual predators who they believe to be pretend transexuals who wish to transition to gain special privileges and access vulnerable women. They are also worried that they have lost the right to not treat individuals who they believe are not really transgender or who will pose a threat once transitioned.

The relevant excerpt of their testimony to the parliamentary committee looking into the GRA is here at Gender Trender and the whole testimony can be found as a PDF here and makes for interesting reading.

You always get one don't you.

If that was directed at my post, you misunderstood my intent. My point was that removing make sex offenders' genitals doesn't make them much or any safer around women. If you chose to interpret it to mean that women offend too, then that's on you. Although it is true.

I can see why most other MNers gove this board a wide berth, tbh. That was my first post in here and will probably be my last. Which is a shame, because I consider myself a feminist and am interested in seeing issues debated.

I agree with your point RomCom and think it was probably misinterpreted, if the other poster was replying to you.

There have been studies done in other countries where sex offenders were chemically castrated prior to release.

They reoffended at the same rate of serious sexual assault, and used implements to penetrate their victims.

I don't have a link to it, because I read it in a book in the olden days, before the internet was widely available. But I think this was fairly well known about sex offenders.

I remember that too, Jenny.... and also can't remember where I read it, but it would have been during my forensics rotation.

So, yes, rape in the UK can only be perpetrated by men, due to the need for a penis.

But serious sexual assault can be perpetrated by both sexes, although, again, mostly by men.

It would be a shame to leave a whole board, just because of a single post on a single thread, if you are a feminist and want to debate.

"It would be a shame to leave a whole board, just because of a single post on a single thread, if you are a feminist and want to debate"

Absolutely agree.

Thanks Jenny, Playswell, Yonic and slugs.

I have lurked a bit in the feminism threads over the last few months and it's raised my awareness of some issues I hadn't given much thought to, transgender politics being one of them. DH and I watched 'Side by Side', a documentary about the transition of the film industry from celluloid to digital film, this morning. The Wachowskis (formerly "Brothers") were interviewed and I initially thought Lana Wachowski was Andy's wife. DH and I ended up having an interesting discussion afterwards about femininity and how different Lana Wachowski's take on it was compared to, say, with Caitlynn Jenner's hyper-feminine but slightly plastic take on femininity, which seems like femininity seen through a male gaze/filter. It's not a conversation we would have had a few months ago. Anyway, in saying that, I've probably offended someone else now and will get flamed.

Yes that was me, I am sorry romcom. I read your post as "women do it too" and got annoyed, but having reread it I can see what you meant was that cutting off a penis is no guarantee that a sex offender will not offend. I completely misread what you were getting at with your post.

I am sorry I misunderstood and went off on one, so I hope you can accept my apology and stay.

Romcom... people only tend to get flamed if they make a series of truly egregious bullshit comments, so I reckon you're fine

Or if they're pretty obviously MRE douchebags here on a windup, because there's nothing more fun than creating an account on a parenting website just to be ridiculous at feminists, now!

Thanks Whirlpool - apology accepted.

Hurrah! Peace and harmony has broken out!

And there was much rejoicing

Yes, unmistakably feminine but quirky and edgy, like you say. On camera, she was very much at ease.

Did anyone see the interview with Jenner on the Ellen show? It was a really interesting insight into the conservative/republican mind, someone who now identifies as a woman, has previously said that they were heterosexual (ie only interested in women) but who clearly has a real issue with homosexuality (ie really struggles with saying gay marriage is not just OK but a good thing). There is an interview with Ellen afterward which is also very interesting to watch.

Oh and I think in this case Ego is right, gendertrender is misreporting. The 'ever increasing tide' is of men who have committed serious sexual crimes trying to access transgender services in order to claim transwomen status. The specialists do not believe that these individuals truly 'feel like women' or have dysmorphia.

The issue is with a model of care that is based on self validation. Which is interesting as presumably it is their (medical) model. It's also interesting as it appears to go against normal medical practice, at least in the UK where patients cannot demand the treatment of their choice against the opinion of their doctors.

I agree with Ego "ever increasing tide" is misreporting.

I knew about Lana Wanchovski but had never Googled her. She looks great and she looks as if she'd be fun to be around.

But if a transwoman is any male person who says they identify as a woman, how can they be pretending?

The submission does use the expression "ever increasing tide" and Gendertrender is clear that the concern raised was men claiming the status for nefarious purposes. The submission is also clear that the claims are predominantly made by sex offenders.

I agree that gendertrender is not misreporting as the transgender movement can't have it both ways. It was hailed as a wonderfully progressive thing that in Ireland you can now officially change your gender based on nothing but your own say so. We aren't even just expected to accept that males are transgender because they say they are, we are expected to accept that they are women just like we are. Since women who dare to stand up for sanity and say that men cannot be women are on the receiving end of a whole load of scary shit from trans people and their allies, trans people have no right to disown anyone who they think gives trans a bad name. We can't say that Janet Mock, for example, isn't really a woman but the transgender community can claim that Chris 'Jessica' Hambrook and his ilk aren't really trans? The hypocrisy is astounding.

Then the report might have been better to say "it is a valid concern. ..

" an ever increasing tide...." is emotive.

I wouldn't class 'ever increasing tide' as a particularly emotive phrase. I googled it to check the contexts it is used in and, along with references to terrorism etc, found it in sentences such as "You are constantly against the ever-increasing tide of other businesses competing for consumer attention." and "With its new breath of life however, La Belle Tortue Lodge is hoping to ride the ever-increasing tide of tourism arrivals in Seychelles ?? at its own turtle??s pace, naturally."

The specialists do not believe that these individuals truly 'feel like women' or have dysmorphia.

What does that even mean though?

For any transwoman?

I mean, please, women are constantly told that we are being transphobic and "gatekeeping" womanhood when we question self identified transwomen's testimony that they feel like women but it is ok for everyone to do exactly the same thing to a person just because they happen to be in prison? Sorry but I'm sensing a jolly convenient hypocrisy here.

It seems a new rule has been added. So a woman is now someone who feels like a woman and who has an acceptable motive for saying so. I would like more clarity on what an acceptable motive is. Wanting earlier parole or housing in a women's prison are being presented as unacceptable motives. What about being sexually excited at the idea of oneself as a woman? Or being repulsed by the idea of oneself as a gay man? Are they acceptable motives?