Gender Identity Specialists warn of “ever increasing tide” of Transwoman Sex Offenders

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The British Association of Gender Identity Specialists have agreed with radfems about the transgender movement attracting sexual predators. They claim to have dealt with an increasing number of incarcerated sexual predators who they believe to be pretend transexuals who wish to transition to gain special privileges and access vulnerable women. They are also worried that they have lost the right to not treat individuals who they believe are not really transgender or who will pose a threat once transitioned.

The relevant excerpt of their testimony to the parliamentary committee looking into the GRA is here at Gender Trender and the whole testimony can be found as a PDF here and makes for interesting reading.

Women have it done on their vulvas, you know. As an alternative to having their pubes ripped out by the roots with hot wax once a month.

And women's pubic hair is typically much coarser than men's. Anyway, we digress.

I think that most people would understand and feel an awful lot of sympathy and compassion for someone who felt so at odds that they had full surgery and so forth.

The thing with that of course as well is that it negates the risk of causing pregnancy if such an inmate was put in with the women. (Other considerations aside there could still be risks and I'm sure people would have views either way) but still the pregnancy risk would be gone, and the presence of a penis in a place where lots of women will have experienced sexual violence will be gone.

This is not the situation though. The situation is, the lobbying, all of that, is that anyone is whatever they say they are. And in fact, they can change from day to day. And no surgery or hormones are required.

I'm sure you're aware that in Ireland, they have made it so that:

"Transgender people in Ireland have won legal recognition of their status after a law was passed allowing them to change their legal gender with no medical or state intervention."

Thus, they have actioned this already, and I have no idea how they plan to handle it when the new right to self-identify comes into conflict with what women want or need.

if an unstable woman said she was a man, because actually she wanted to go into a prison with men, would that be allowed. Should it be allowed?

I mean not a trans man, a woman who fancied being in with the blokes (hence unstable as I can't imagine it would be much fun).

Prison populations are more vulnerable to human rights abuses, particularly around health care, than any other group.

It is pretty awful to say that they just can't be trusted or that they should be pressured into treatment to prove themselves. The problem is with a lack of a robust definition and diagnosis of transsexuals, caused byideological pressure from the transgender movement, making it hard to identify and aid those who are genuinely transsexual.

Excuse my naivete but was has hair removal from the penis git to do with trans gender?

Personally, such people should be given HRT and offered immediate surgery with laser penile hair removal. If they don't want that, then no transition.

This assumes that you need a penis to seriously sexually assault women and children, which is not the case - both in law and practice."

Would it help to have a special prison wing for people who are MTF transgendered - not in a male prison setting and not having access to vulnerable females either?

That wouldn't wash as transactivists would be all over it.

The problem is that the rights of two groups of people are conflicting. I think for a mtf transgender who has gone through surgery, to be forced to be placed in a man's prison would be horrendous but I also think that women prisoners should not be forced into sharing space with a man who identifies as a woman but still has male genitalia. We can't pretend that this conflict does not exist.

Presumably that violates their right to be considered female.

You always get one don't you.

Rape can only be committed with a penis in UK law, incidentally.

As for the rest.

The vast vast majority of sex offences are committed by males.
Women and girls are far more at risk of sexual violence from men and boys than from other females.
There is an additional risk with male on female sexual violence of pregnancy, which takes a terrible situation (sexual violence) and makes it immeasurably worse.

Yes women sometimes sexually assault other women, men, children.
They do not do it at anywhere approaching the same rate as males.

So what are you suggesting.
Either segregate all prisoners from each other entirely - as they are all at risk of being either abused or abuser
Or remove the distinction entirely and mix men and women in prison together. Yes that sounds like an excellent plan (if you really hate women).

"Would it help to have a special prison wing for people who are MTF transgendered - not in a male prison setting and not having access to vulnerable females either?"

1. Money, too expensive
2. If sexual violence is rife in male prisons then what about all the other people at risk of sexual violence / being subjected to sexual violence why shouldn't they be protected?
3. As others have mentioned this is a no-go as it makes a distinction between them and other women

I mean I would say that there must be pragmatic solutions around this that protect everyone, but they are unacceptable to some unfortunately.

See this is where this whole pretence that transwomen are women, rather than men with feminized bodies, leads us.

Now we have to figure out who is a genuine transwoman and who is not. Who is "deserving" of the trans definition of womanhood and who is not (oh the irony...).

And so far the only rule I'm aware of is that a genuine transwoman is someone who says that they feel like a woman. The rule is that "woman" is a feeling and an identity that is seperate from biology. That is except when it is not. And it is not when transpersons wish to distance themselves from transwomen (male persons who say that they feel like women) who behave badly. Then the rule (that lowly born women must respect, that a women is a feeling) doesn't seem to apply anymore. How convenient.

All this makes me think of Janice Raymond's highly perceptive analysis that transgenderism is an expression of a profound "othering" of women and a fetishisization of us as a collection of body parts rather than human beings.

And therefore to me this rush for genderists to claim that there are genuine and non genuine transwomen is lacking in intellectual honesty and critical analysis. IMO all transgenderists objectify women and fetishize our body parts. The fetish is not a sexual one for all but it is a fetish all the same and most certainly a deeply dehumanizing objectification of girls and women. I don't think it is surprising that there would be a relatively high number of sexual predators who form a subgroup of a population of males who dehumanize and objectify females and who fetishize female body parts. Indeed it would be surprising if that were not the case.

I think the trans movement needs to be honest about this but I'm really not holding my breath.

Ego we know though that there are terribly large numbers of pervy men who will try all sorts of things to gain access to women and girls when they are in vulnerable / undressed type situations.

I really think it's very naive to imagine that they won't see this as an opportunity to get their jollies.

In the old days they had to set up cameras, peer over doors, drill holes in walls and doors, hide, and so on. Now they can (in theory) just walk in.

I guess we'll just have to see how it all pans out.

I think there's going to be a lot of trouble before (hopefully) a middle ground is found that protects everyone.

Another thing that Raymond says which was a lightbulb moment for me is that femininity and masculinity are two sides of the same coin.

I was scratching my head trying to figure out why many MTTs seem to have been hyper masculine (and often quite conservative) before claiming that they are in fact women and then go on to take on a hyper feminine stereotype. All they are doing is flipping the gender coin. Both sides are misogynistic - be it hypermasculinity or hyperfemininity, so again not surprising that a certain number of this population will be, um, misogynists...

I'm not saying this applies to all MTTs of course.

Tiggy are you still calling women ciswomen these days?

"We can't pretend that this conflict does not exist."

Quite.

The concept of pretending to be a transwoman cannot exist if a transwoman is a man who says he identifies as a woman.

Lol, Flora... that clarifies everything.