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Women do it too.

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BudgeUp · 19/08/2015 10:59

I'm feeling somewhat frustrated because I've just been talking to a friend about why that idiot felt the need to hack mumsnet and when I linked it to the wider issue of men (NAMALT) silencing women talking together online, her immediate response was "women hack just as much as men".

Similarly in the past when, for example, a newsworthy sex abuse/rape/DV/murder has been a topic of conversation there is always one who points out that women also abuse/rape/hit/murder.

Just like "Not all men" I find it incredibly derailing and am never sure how to respond to it without sounding like I completely hate men.

Sorry just wanted to vent.

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YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 22:29

Which hit and run attempt was that?

Here's one from July - male charged

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-33632939

(Below that story - another one

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-34009127

Sadly, that male victim of two male perpetrators died)

sonnyson12 · 20/08/2015 22:31

url it, its there.

MaillotRojoPan · 20/08/2015 22:32

I'm more concerned about female violence toward her. As a dad you really need to examine your perspective-taking on that one.

PlaysWellWithOthers · 20/08/2015 22:34

Basil did url it... it's not there.

Which bit of that are you failing to comprehend?

AskBasil · 20/08/2015 22:34

What are you on about? I copied the link referenced on your picture.

If it exists, why don't you link to it?

AskBasil · 20/08/2015 22:35

Here is the URL, Sonny

sonnyson12 · 20/08/2015 22:37

Maillo

Thanks, but no thanks.

AskBasil · 20/08/2015 22:38

He's not good at perspective.

Or real info.

Hmm
MaillotRojoPan · 20/08/2015 22:40

okay. But ask any adult woman. She will tell you you are looking in the wrong place. But what do they know about it that you don't eh?

sonnyson12 · 20/08/2015 22:43

www.onsgov.uk/ons/dcp171778_298904.pdf

AnyFucker · 20/08/2015 22:43

does everyone like my new testicle earrings ?

purty, ain't they ?

PlaysWellWithOthers · 20/08/2015 22:44

Soooo objective!

We'll all have to pay attention to you now!

SansaryaAgain · 20/08/2015 22:44

Why would you be more concerned about female violence towards your daughter when women run a higher risk of being a victim of male violence rather than female?

sonnyson12 · 20/08/2015 22:46

And ask any adult woman, false allegations are rife within the family court.

PlaysWellWithOthers · 20/08/2015 22:51

And ask any adult woman, false allegations are rife within the family court.

Utter, utter bollocks. That statement doesn't even warrant women's time or effort in replying.

MaillotRojoPan · 20/08/2015 22:52

aaand....that takes us where sonny?

See normally I do like to engage with 'hard-to-reach' people - it's more of a challenge but your sort of denial has no justification nor basis, so that just means it takes much longer - in the sense I'd have to wait until you grow up a bit, as I'd said early up thread. It's almost child-like.

YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 23:58

Your link is still wrong. Luckily I found the doc you need. See my helpful link.

vesuvia · 21/08/2015 00:20

sonnyson12 wrote - "The oft quoted 'two women are killed by men a week' is inaccurate, it is less. One man is killed per week by a woman."

You are wrong.

For example, 171 women were murdered in England and Wales in 2012/13.* 93% of these 171 women were murdered by men and 7% by women. This means that men murdered 159 women (which is more than 3 per week) in England and Wales during 2012/13. 53% of the 171 murdered women were murdered by their male partner or ex-partner - it's this figure, of 76 murdered women, that provides England and Wales' 2012/13 contribution to the UK statistic of "two women a week are killed by their partner or ex-partner". In 2012/13, 380 men were murdered in England and Wales (93.5% by men, 6.5% by women). This means that women murdered 25 men (which is fewer than 1 every two weeks).

(* 171 women murdered in a year is below the long-term average of about 200 women murdered per year, so the number of women murdered per week in 2012/13 is also lower than the long-term average, which is closer to 4 women murdered per week by men in England and Wales)

These statistics are taken directly, summarised or arithmetically calculated from data in Focus on Violent Crime and Sexual Offences (England and Wales) 2012-13 - Report by Office of National Statistics

abbieanders · 21/08/2015 02:17

I am a Father that has gone to great lengths to ensure that my daughter is well equipped to protect herself. I'm more concerned about female violence toward her.

You've had a wasted effort so. Woman to woman violence is vanishingly rare. It's a shame you couldn't get past your hatred of women and weird paranoia to prepare her for what will almost certainly actually happen.

BreakingDad77 · 21/08/2015 10:42

sonnyson12 in my lifetime I have only seen one guy get attacked by a women with a shoe but she was helping her partner as part of a scrap, and once a woman threw a glass at a table, and once a girl pushed another over. But of the women I have known similar numbers have suffered sexual abuse, a couple of sexual assault and a couple domestic abuse by men.

I don't get why people try to equalise gender violence when the scale and degree are so different.

If I could send you a red pill electronically I would

AskBasil · 21/08/2015 11:23

"I don't get why people try to equalise gender violence when the scale and degree are so different."

Because they hate women and will use any tool in their tool kit against us, including denying that violence is gendered at all if the occasion calls for it, or alternatively, saying that women deserve it anyway and should just submit to male authority because it's natural.

I find it particularly sad for Sonny's daughter, that he has tried to prevent her seeing reality and therefore keeping herself safe. Let's hope her mother has counteracted his unhelpful influence.

JeffhasAMicroPenis · 21/08/2015 11:40

My assumption about Sonny's daughter (if he has one) is that he is here because he is an angry bitter man and -probably hasn't got access. It's why most of the f4j/mra types hassle MUMsnet.

sonnyson12 · 21/08/2015 20:37

Jeff,

You are wrong to assume, "probably hasn't got 'access'", as my daughter lives with me half the time, after several years of obtaining court orders in our favour.

I have never had anything to do with F4J nor am I a 'MRA'.

AskBasil, I am confident that my daughter is intelligent enough to reject your feigned sadness and I will never waiver from my responsibility to protect/educate her of the reality that men and women can be abusive and violent and that she does not have to tolerate that.

Thankfully the courts have assisted me in preventing in counteracting my daughter's mother's harmful and emotionally, psychologically and physically abusive behaviour.

BreakingDad, I respectfully reject your offer of a 'red pill', I wouldn't trust your supplier, whereas I do trust mine.

sonnyson12 · 21/08/2015 20:41

Playswell,

Yes, I stand by my statement that false allegations are rife within the family court due to the reason that they are. Ask the question in legal.