NUS and prostitution - confused...

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They seem to haves passed a motion which holds anyone who thinks the Nordic model of managing prostitution is the preserve of right wing radical feminists.

I'm confused. I don't know much about sex work but I do know it is linked to trafficking of women and children and organised crime. I would be delighted if men were criminalised - but maybe I'm wrong?

Here's the motion but you might not be able to view it...

Did I say they did outrd a pimp? I was clarifying because your use of "sex worker" could have included pimps

Sorry meant to add ,keep trying, I'm not any of those either.

"As it is Ms Grant consulted and researched widely before submitting her bill."

And during the public consultation only 3 current or former prostitutes wrote in in support. Along with several dozen people who attended church (it was really obvious RG had contacted several churches about the proposal because she knew she would get support from Christians).

I think it's safe to say most of the people who supported Rhoda Grant would probably also support her if her proposal was to criminalise fornification or homosexuality.

When you find a feminist on MN advocating the public shaming of any woman for being paid for sex (or sex she wasn't paid for), let me know

lazocutor I don't know any feminists who would out a woman working in prostitution. If the Sunday World did that, then take it up with them. Nobody here did it.

I like toast. It's very possible Boris Johnson likes toast. The fact we both like toast does not turn us into bosom buddies who agree on everything else. Your desperate attempt to paint feminists as somehow hand-in-glove with right-wing tabloids is going nowhere.

" I was clarifying because your use of "sex worker" "

Well to clarify if I say sexworker I'm referring to a prostitute.

Unfortunately I have to walk past them.

Although your comment completely fails to understand my point.

"When you find a feminist on MN advocating the public shaming of any woman for being paid for sex (or sex she wasn't paid for), let me know"

I bet you would advocate the public shaming of prostitutes who are consenting and who don't support the "nordic model"?

What might stop someone in prostitution taking part in a political process I wonder? What might enable someone in prostitution to take part in a political process?

"Unfortunately I have to walk past them. "

You have to walk past them? Oh the horror! You poor baby!

""When you find a feminist on MN advocating the public shaming of any woman for being paid for sex (or sex she wasn't paid for), let me know"

I bet you would advocate the public shaming of prostitutes who are consenting and who don't support the "nordic model"?"

Of course I wouldn' advocate that. Why would I?

Then you'd bet wrong, lazocutor. I find it amazingly possible to disagree with another woman without feeling the need to shame them.

I think it's safe to say most of the people who supported Rhoda Grant would probably also support her if her proposal was to criminalise fornification or homosexuality

I think it's safe to say you are an idiot. This post is contrary to MN policy on personal attacks so feel free to ask for it to be deleted.

Isn't it strange Annie? We're being told all these things we supposedly believe, and yet no amount of saying that we don't believe them will convince our new poster. It's almost as though they're not here to properly engage in discussion.

@StillLostAtTheStation the responses for the RG public consultation have now been taken down but I can assure you most were along the lines of "prostitution is against god's law" and "I agree with the proposal and sex should only be between a married man and woman".

Rhoda Grant got most of her support for her nordic model proposal from Christians. That's obvious.

IMO, this actually harms RG's credibility

"I think it's safe to say you are an idiot. This post is contrary to MN policy on personal attacks so feel free to ask for it to be deleted."

Any spot the hypocrisy here?

lazocutor wrote - "Do you agree with publicly shaming those who choose to sell sex?"

I don't agree with public shaming of people who sell sex, irrespective of whether they say that they choose it, or not.

Do you agree with shaming of people who sell sex? Although you gave the example, so far I haven't seen you explicitly state that you opposed this. I don't want to make assumptions about your attitude to shaming women.

I notice that you didn't address my point about selling sex not being like any other job.

I support the shaming of people convicted of crimes such as trafficking, rape, exploitation of minors etc

I do not support the shaming of adults engaging in consensual paid-for-sex in their own privacy.

I notice that you didn't address my point about selling sex not being like any other job.

"I notice that you didn't address my point about selling sex not being like any other job."

I agree with the NUS- it is like any other job- labour for money- except (largely thanks to the likes of yourselves and also the extremist religious folks who get angry when unmarried people have sex) it is highly stigmatised.

I'm questioning your ability to listen to those who work in prostitution given how much you're failing to listen to posters here telling you when you are wrong about what they think.

Exactly, Chopper. This person has decided what they think is going on, and no amout of evidence otherwise will make them change their mind.

Rhoda Grant got most of her support for her nordic model proposal from Christians. That's obvious

So the many women's groups who supported her are just fronts for Christian organisations?

*think it's safe to say you are an idiot. This post is contrary to MN policy on personal attacks so feel free to ask for it to be deleted."

Any spot the hypocrisy here?*

I think irony is also a concept you struggle with.

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I agree with the NUS- it is like any other job- labour for money

So, as it is just like any other job, presumably you would agree to it being advertised at job centres and applicants encouraged to take up these posts or risk losing their benefit money?