Let older boys tell girls what turns them on... says man

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Horrible gaslighty article about how older boys should tell girls in schools what they find attractive in females... to stop 'body shaming'. Because all girls really need to know is how best to attract a man. No mention of older girls going and telling younger boys that not being a sexist dickhead is a good way to attract a woman though.

This from a man who wrote a truly awful and deeply unscientific article a while back about how women who leave their children in daycare are damaging them because men don't leave their children, it's always women.

Obviously the best thing a girl can do is listen to older boys tell her how to win a man and then stay at home and look after the babies. Unsurprisingly, it's causing a bit of a stir.

(most heads of girls' schools I mean)

It's even more given that eating disorders and lack of body confidence are not confined to teenage girls. Are struggling teenage boys just expected to get over it.

I wonder will we have older boys telling non white girls "don't worry love, I like them exotic too". Just to be pc and cover all bases.

Never mind gay teens of any gender.
Any which way you slice it. This is not acceptable.

The guy is on pm today.

Sorry, now I mean. With Susie Orbach.

What is she saying? Am away from radio. (Her books really helped me with disordered eating)

Yes please let us know sisters still at work here.

The Biology question was:

The scientific article you have studied is adapted from articles in The Biologist. Use the information from the article and your own knowledge to answer the following questions.
(a) Explain why obesity is ‘a big problem’ for society (paragraph 2). (2 marks)
(b) Describe the structure of triglyceride fat found in white adipose tissue (WAT). (2 marks)
(c) Calculate the percentage increase in deaths for young girls with anorexia (paragraph 6). (2 marks)
(d) State the evidence supporting the idea that specific parts of the brain are responsible for the gender differences in the processing of information related to body image (paragraphs 8 to 14). (4 marks)
(e) Explain why the raised cortisol levels due to dieting in females, may be a long term risk factor (paragraph 18). (2 marks)
(f) Suggest why it may be an advantage to have lipids stored in ‘many small droplets rather than in a large mass’ in brown adipose tissue (BAT) (paragraph 28). (2 marks)
(g) Suggest how the uncoupling agent UCP-1 might affect the production of ATP and heat (paragraph 28). (3 marks)
(h) Suggest why 18F-fluorodeoxyglucose (18FFDG) becomes ‘trapped’ in the cells, unlike glucose which is rapidly metabolised (paragraph 32). (3 marks)
(i) Explain why the seaweed pigment fucoxanthin caused a reduction in abdominal fat in rats (paragraph 38). (3 marks)
(j) Give the scientific evidence for the protein PRDM16 being responsible for potential weight loss (paragraphs 40 and 41). (5 marks)
(k) Give two pieces of evidence showing that environmental factors can alter gene expression (paragraphs 45 to 47). (2 marks)
(Total for Question 7 = 30 marks)

I'm not sure this was an inappropriate subject for an A-level question, though; you can't avoid all the bits of Biology that might be sensitive/triggering.

Sorry, giving kids dinner, didn't catch it all. She brought up the porn issue, in terms of unrealisric/restrictive expectations and the issue that ED are not limited to girls. But didn't seem to attack his basic idea that girls bodies being objectified is something to be encouraged.

Well it is so entrenched an idea sisters so I can see how that would be omitted.

Umm... Well, this is...somewhat...heteronormative...

Of course it is. That's why it is clearly not a genuine policy suggestion.

Everyone has been distracted by the ED element which is equally stupid.
I say again it's about allowing objectification under the radar.

Well what in all the actual names of fuck in the entire world is this utter utter dickhead talking about?

What everyone here said.

And plus. He wants "older boys" - what 15 - 18 I guess? to tell younger girls - what 12 - 14 I guess? what they find sexually attractive?

In what possible way is this even mildly appropriate? In any other context this would be called GROOMING. Older men telling young girls what they find sexually attractive is undesirable behaviour the world over.

The man is an utter utter wanker.

Older boys of the world unite!

"What do you find attractive in a girl, Smithson?"
"None of your business, sir."

Even if this were ok, on any planet, which is isn't.... In what way is what 15 year old boys find attractive the same as what 30 year old men find attractive? Unless those 30 year old men have some odd and illegal ideas about what's attractive in a woman.

The writer of this clusterfuck used to be a TV 'expert', on This Morning, iirc.

I want you to know that made me properly laugh, yonic. Thank you.

I am just.... there is so much horribly wrong with this where do you even start!

The idea that girls all look up to older boys (!)
The idea that girls poor body image / eating disorders etc is being caused because they want to be sexually attractive to older boys (!) rather than due to things like peer pressure, media imagery, having aspects of their life that they can't control, etc etc etc you know all the well documented reasons
The idea that telling boys that what they find hot is and should be of primary importance to girls, and telling girls that what boys find attractive should be of primary importance to them also
I mean
I could go on and on and on

What the fuck is this wanker on?

Am I swearing enough?

I mean "An increase in fat on hips, thighs and bottoms is not only natural but good for girls because it is appealing to males" what the fucking fucking fuck? Girls KNOW THIS because arseholes SHOUT SHIT AT THEM from when they start growing breasts etc and start trying to get into their knickers.

I just.. I can't...

And this man has the ear of people who educate children??????

Thanks Jeanne!

Surely a better plan would be to have women of various shapes and sizes come in to talk about careers or interests or whatever and mentioned their lovely husband or boyfriend in passing...

There's research showing that the girls who grow up with the best body image aren't the ones who are constantly told they're beautiful, they are the ones who aren't brought up to think it matters. Sigman seems to have missed that.

Does anyone else wish that as a society we could just stop having to listen to male self-styled experts about every bloody thing and especially women? It's just too much to ask, isn't it?

He came across as sincere, I'd say. Repulsive, but sincere: "90% of men will have a wife/female partner or daughters - we need to be part of this conversation. and fashion magazines are edited by women, and the problem has only got worse over the last 40 years while political correctness has excluded men from being involved so men need to have a say now."

If there hadn't been small children in the room I'd have been shouting fuck off at the radio.

Anyway, even if you accept that objectification is fine and normal, and believe that girls' body image problems are about aspiring to attract boys, it still doesn't solve the problem - it just creates a new set of criteria against which to fail.

Wtf is his point about political correctness meant to be?

Men are welcome to have a say. Some are capable of saying things which help rather than exacerbate the situation. Most of the men important to me in my life don't value me for my looks (primarily or at all). I'm sure most of our daughters have fathers and brothers who interact with them as individual people.

Countess, that's interesting - the research that girls brought up to believe it doesn't matter are protected. Id be interested to read more, if you have a link?

Ii was just trying to think what would have helped me as a teen, and couldn't come up with anything. But then I was brought up to believe that appearance and weight mattered very, very much.

Think the political correctness point was approximately "we men like boobs and should be allowed to say so at last."

Obviously that's bullshit, as the "young pert boobs good" message is pretty clear. But as far as i could tell he was saying "body image problems are.about stick.thin fashion models, selected by female.editors, which.men/boys don't like anyway - now at last there's a.man brave enough to say it. Hurrah for dr sigmun."

Or is there another slightly less barking interpretation?

I was utterly oblivious to the eating disorders that were rife all around me when I was young. I'm not sure what it was that made that so.

Maybe having older boys tell me what they found sexually attractive would have reduced or removed that effect entirely?

It's just a shit idea whichever way you look at it.