Feminist Pub 16: where the Bluestockings develop armoured stockings to deal with the thousand paper cuts

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Carry on.

Evening all, a round of drinks for all on me. Your good wishes worked well, stupidity was either firmly circumvented or at least delayed until after the election and by then hey, there will be a whole new set of issues. Plus I was twice able to produce actual evidential knowledge which exploded particularly idiotic proposals. I think I may also have been channelling LordCopper on the long hard stare a couple of times.

Can we talk about Wolf Hall after you've caught up Jeanne?

No, that makes sense, Buffy. But I would add that perhaps we would always need some kind of hierarchy and to deem some sexual behaviour "deviant", if only to prevent sexual behaviour which places the sexual wants of one person above the bodily autonomy of another who is unable to consent due to age or physical/mental incapacitation. So who you are attracted to and what you want to do with them are irrelevant and all equally acceptable within the bounds of enthusiastic consent.

Fantastic news, Elisaveta! Well done!

Ooh, that's brilliant, elisa, great.

You can talk about Wolf Hall now - it's not as if it'll spoiler me, I know what happens. I just meant, I'd love to talk about it but have nothing to say yet!

Well done Elisa! Glad the hard stares work!

Wolf Hall - I don't know much about Cromwell, though I suspect he was not quite so cuddly as portrayed so far. But if you ignore all historical whatsit it's good drama.

Perhaps I'll read Wolf Hall, after Moriarty.

Am going to bed now...

I think he got distinctly uncuddly at the end.

Cromwell was an unmitigated bastard. I'm of the opinion that men like him (along with a possible head injury) facilitated Henry turning from the magnanimous, jolly person he started off his reign as, into the horrendous piggy eyed tyrant he became. If ever a monarch needed the 25 barons, it was 'Good Prince Hal'.

Dp is really snobby about henry viii and the amount of cultural attention the Tudors get (post wars of the roses)

I think it's because his period of interest is more like 10th century England but fewer people get as excited because they want to know about the king who had six wives and broke with Rome for a shag/son (I am being deliberately facetious - it's another simplification he complains about). Of course he can't stop being interested in the lasting effects of that time

But the early modern period is fascinating. Discovery of the new world, England becoming a more powerful nation, religious reformation across Europe, which changes the landscape of international politics, and lines everything up for all the 17th century revolutions.

Hy VIII himself and alll the Thomases I'm not so bothered about these days, but the whole era was very interesting, with lots of changes going on, society shifting about .

Much better than that Mediaeval stuff.

Except that the discover of the New World happened during English medieval history, we lost territories in France during the early modern period and arguably became less powerful as the wool trade declined, and the religious reformations were annoying.

I had a wonderful epiphany in bed last night that I was very excited to share with you all. But can I remember it this morning. No, I cannot. Bugger.

Gah. And I came on here expecting enlightenment, handed to me on a plate.

How very disappointing.

Of course.

But 1492 is right at the end of the Mediaeval period, and they didn't start exploiting it till after. (Mostly on account of not being able to exploit something that hasn't been discovered yet...)

Paradigm shifting is extra. Dem buggers is heavy and you need to get in a special team trained in ergonomic shifting. 'Elf and Safety, innit?

I know, EBear. I love the Early Moderns too, really.

Actually, I am probably a frustrated Tudor scholar.

at annie.

1492 waaaaay too late for dp. he wants to call his firstborn Æthelflæd or Æthelstan