Why isn't there a genuine 'Men's Movement'..?

[AWholeLottaNosy]

So instead of Pick Up Artists, MRAs, UKIP etc, why isn't there a genuine 'Men's Movement' to look at issues such as male suicide, depression, alcoholism, difficulties with expressing emotions and vulnerability, male violence ( against both men and women), homophobia, how to have a fulfilling relationship with a woman and be a good father etc? I would fully support anyone who attempted to do this as they are laudable and important aims.

INSTEAD OF SLAGGING US OFF FOR TRYING TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT AFFECT US AS WOMEN?

okay - the video aside for the moment, what about men having the means to sort things out for themselves? You know we can do it, surely? At no cost to anyone, or being 'disappointed' at anyone else. I'm thinking you're avoiding the real issue, i.e. it's about you, if I may say.

"what about men having the means to sort things out for themselves?"

Like I've already said MRAs aren't expecting feminists to sort things out for them. Feminists hate men, so it would be foolish to expect anything from them other than abuse and malicious allegations.

oh come on, so some feminists get angry with you. Frankly, big deal. Does that disable you? It's an easy excuse for not doing anything, apart from being 'angry'. Which I'm sure you are looking for, essentially.

Feminists hate men.

Even if that was true.......it doesn't matter. You're still looking for someone else to blame.

"so some feminists get angry with you."

But what is it about men talking to other men about men's rights issues that angers feminists? Are they afraid their victim mentality will be damaged? Do feminists love playing the "victim" and thinking of men as oppressors and get angry when any alternative view is discussed?

I think you'll find it's feminists showing up uninvited and shouting and screaming at male victims of domestic violence.

That's not at all evident from the video so I'd have to take your word for it except I won't take your word for it.

As for the caption, it says it below the video.

"Can you imagine being abused, coming to a forum to stand up against your abusers, and then being told you are a "woman beater" by screaming "protestors"? Some people don't have to imagine.

Well done, feminism, you have officially disgusted me beyond recovery.?"

One of the comments below the video, says it all really.

"Men's activists hold a public forum to discuss the possibility of giving male victims of domestic violence some of the social services that are currently only available to female victims. Feminists, who strongly oppose any recognition of male victims of abuse, disrupt the forum and try to shut it down."

And are you happy with the fact services for male victims are non-existent? If male victims were to talk about this would you show up to shout and scream "women beaters" at them?

Despite the way its worded I really don't think it means take services off women to give to men, I'm pretty sure the possibility of more shelters being created would have been raised, but if that's what you want to think.

Look your posts have been low quality but reposting shit from YouTube comments are beyond the bottom of the barrel. The unintelligent commenting on the unintelligible.

So you don't actually know whether they are campaigning for extra money or campaigning to take a share of women's resources? What is your view of MRAs campaigning to take resources from women's refuges to give to men's refuges?

If the poor provision of male DV victims exists, then it really isn't the 'fault' of women, or feminists. But like I say, you wish to 'blame' them (or anyone else). Some one-off incident does not reflect the overall fact of life experience of DV and the need for facilities. But you still wish to portray an image of an unmet need for men in this regard, and hold onto that as a gripe against women/feminists. I'd think if it wasn't that issue, you'd think of something else to feel bad toward women/feminists.
Get better men in your life?

equally not at all sure why you've popped in here rissepuc.

g'night.

""Misandry isn't a thing,"

If someone hates men/boys for no reason other than because they are male, that is misandry."

Whereas misogyny is a whole system of woman-hatred that is woven into the law, medicine, politics, society, media, culture - the very fabric of our lives. It led to women being excluded from education, politics and property and in fact being re-defined as property, not persons. We are still living with the results of it, with our assumptions, our psychological outlook, the way we organise society, the way we live. We had only just begun to examine and realise some of the effects it had had on us and is still having on us, when men grandly declared that we're all equal now and there's no need to worry about inequality anymore.

Do you see the difference?

"misogyny" IMO has to be the most over-used word in existence in this country. It used to mean hatred of women but now it means anything and everything feminists don't like.

And I think feminists seem to forget women have privileges of their own such as chivalry.

Chivalry? Oh my sides!

This is bizarre. Using youtube comments as ammunition in your argument? I mean have you READ youtube comments?

Yeah, that time a guy held a door open for me (as if women never do that for men) really cancels out the catcalling, the unwanted touching...

ris can you answer this?

What is your view of MRAs campaigning to take resources from women's refuges to give to men's refuges?

Chivalry? Ermmm...like I say, get better men, and do a reality check.

No, misogyny has never "just" meant hatred of women.

It always implied the structural power behind the hatred.

Just like racism isn't just one group's dislike of another.

It always references power.

Bertie and Empire

One of the biggest fears for men is to be forever celibate and one of the biggest fears for women is to remain single forever.
From these perceptive it’s easy to see how men and women behave when it comes to relationships.
If all he ever does is play and talk about video games, it doesn’t take a genius to understand he will have far fewer opportunities to meet and be interesting to women.
So telling a man like that to stop talking about video games as much and don’t act desperate when he meets a woman remotely interested in him is not ‘faking’ it. He will still be the same person but this time he knows talking about video games all the time is boring to most people.
At the root of it, a person who shys away from society, ie. video games uses them as an escape because they feel they are a failure.

It’s also stupid to think looks aren’t the most important to men.
Whether some women like it or not, men do settle. When a man doesn’t have options and feels they can’t do any better, they will settle. And that’s what happens to the majority of men.
As for Powerful men, beautiful women, women and the men.
Whilst it’s not robust, powerful men receive most of the benefits of being a man and the rest of the minions/men don’t feel it.
Maybe that’s why most ‘male feminist’ are MC and UC because they can clearly feel the advantage.
That’s why the average man is a bit antagonistic to feminism because he is told he has an advantage when he feels he does not.
That’s why conventionally good looking women aren’t great supporters of feminism.

In all fairness, feminists do seek to sabotage the efforts of MRA movements. For example, a welsh government bill earlier this year that was worded in a gender neutral way so as to acknowledge that both genders suffer domestic abuse.

However, feminists were not happy with this and thought the wording should focus on female victims. See the link: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-28080585

This is just one example, but I've seen many more where feminists seek to claim an issue as their own and don't like others getting a piece of the pie.

Another I saw was an article commenting on the discrimination men face in teaching, nursing and childcare work. The feminist response seemed to be 'boo hop, cry me a river, woman are so much more disadvantaged in other work areas'. And so on...

Since a central tenet of feminism is that 'men' are responsible for their oppression, it's no surprise to me that they are hostile to any movement that seeks to increase the rights of men. It's sad though, because that behaviour makes it look like they care less about 'equality' as a value, and only about their own interests. It's also sad because IMO gender issues affect both genders and consideration of these issues needs to be less sharply focused. For example, as I've said before... The feminiat issues of the glass ceiling, gendered job roles and pay inequality are directly linked to the MRA issues of paternity leave rights, custody rulings and father's rights. They need to be considered together.

Chivalry?

Really?

Did you want to be taken seriously, or can we just snigger ourselves silly at you now?

Ugly hairy bitter old bat, like all not conventionally good looking feminazis.

Prashad, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but ime men don't face any discrimination in either nursing or teaching. In fact, it's the complete opposite. Men who enter the nursing profession tend to be promoted to management positions with remarkable speed. Few men in the industry, large numbers of them in management positions doesn't speak of discrimination to me. Does it to you? If so, in what way?