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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Thinking out loud about nail varnish...

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StevesBollockAnalogy · 10/09/2014 13:07

Okay so I suppose this is more for my benefit than anyone else's, but I'd be interested to hear what other people have to say and what your opinions are!

So when I heard about the nail varnish that detects the date rape drugs I was angry, but couldn't express why. I have since thought about it quite a lot and this is the conclusion that I've come to.

Even if we only consider rape cases in which the victim is in a night club, approached by a strange man etc. (which are by far not the norm and in the vast majority of rape cases special nail varnish or anything else would be no help at all) and a date rape drug is used, it doesn't prevent rape. That rapist does not go into a bar looking for a specific woman, he will rape whoever he decides to. If she wore a different dress, if she stayed at home, if she was fatter or thinner, if she had a different colour hair, if she detected date rape drugs in her drink, someone would still have been raped. He wouldn't think "oh well, she was the only one I was prepared to attack and rape, now she's detected my drugs I guess I'll just go home then".The nail varnish does not prevent rape, and to say it does is dangerous and misleading.

So say, a woman detects a date rape drug in her drink. She gets the hell out of there. The rapist would not give up and go home at this point, he'd find someone else. Someone who doesn't have that nail varnish. By not being "too drunk", or wearing "slutty" clothing, or wearing the special nail varnish, or going home earlier, you don't prevent rape. You sway the odds so it is less likely he will pick you, he is more likely to pick a faceless other girl. Who drank more or wore a shorter skirt or didn't buy the nail varnish and didn't 'protect' herself like you did. As long as you protect yourself, he will most likely choose someone else who didn't protect herself like you. Some who deserved it more than you. And we all know that leads straight to victim blaming and a whole host of disgusting stuff.

Does that explain it clearly why I'm angry? Am I right- or am I wrong? Other opinions and thoughts are welcome, this is just the conclusion I came to.

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CaptChaos · 14/09/2014 15:18

No ABland, Ready doesn't date horrible men like that, so presumably, neither do her friends.

BuffyBotRebooted · 14/09/2014 15:51

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caroldecker · 14/09/2014 16:26

Not sure where i stand on this. Agree that victim blaming is wrong, but what about other crimes.
Burglary prevention is sold to victims and if you left your house or car unlocked, people would be less sympathetic that you are burgled.
So isn't this true for all crimes, the best way to stop it is prevent the criminals, but in reality potential victims protect themselves?

BuffyBotRebooted · 14/09/2014 16:31

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ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 14/09/2014 18:23

Given the majority of rapes are perpetrated by men known to the victim, the logical conclusion of your position, carol, is that women should take care never to get to know men in order to protect themselves.

CaptChaos · 14/09/2014 18:42

Or remove our vaginas, anuses and mouths and keep them safe unless we are sure we want to use them for a sex act?

caroldecker · 14/09/2014 21:22

Obviously rape is different to theft, my point is that until there are no rapists, should we do nothing or should we take some basic precautions?

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BuffyBotRebooted · 14/09/2014 21:35

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Zazzles007 · 14/09/2014 21:52

remove our vaginas, anuses and mouths and keep them safe

We could pop them into a safety deposit box! I see a new business opportunity..... Grin

JustTheRightBullets · 14/09/2014 21:55

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