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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminist Pub VII - Chat, questions, random thoughts too small for a thread ...

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 29/05/2014 18:37

Just setting this up while we finish off the last few posts on the old thread. Come in and pull up a bar stool!

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TheXxed · 20/06/2014 13:18

If you take a look a twitter ALOT people are defending fabricant. Its nauseating.

AnnieLobeseder · 20/06/2014 13:23

Urgh. I don't care how annoying she might be (I have no idea who she is and whether she is annoying or not), it's no excuse for threats of violence - particularly for an MP. If Andrew Mitchell got fired for Plebgate (where there was never any threat of violence), Michael Fabricant should lose his job over this. But probably won't, because instead of being respectable male policeman, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is just a woman.

AnnieLobeseder · 20/06/2014 13:38

Continuing to beat the sports discussion into more mileage.....

I was very pleased by this story, until I read the huge byline "These girls yearn to play alongside other girls and to have a female coach. They want to be a part of a team that fully accepts them."

So even when girls (women) prove themselves fully capable of competing against boys (men), they feel forced into forming all-female spaces to compete just to be accepted and not made to feel like weird exceptions to the rule. Sad

AnnieLobeseder · 20/06/2014 18:10

Just me on here today then? Never mind, I'll chat to myself Grin
Just been on the phone to Nationwide. We have a joint mortgage with them. I applied for the mortgage. DH got a letter asking him to vote in the AGM.

The helpful woman on the phone told me that their policy to only send out the AGM letter to DH isn't sexist, they send it to the first person listed.

But if I took out the mortgage, then why is DH listed first?

And would it really kill them to put two names on the letter?

Grrrrrrrr

BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 20/06/2014 18:12

Boo!

If it helps, I opened the nationwide joint account and I get to vote...

nauticant · 20/06/2014 18:18

That is a very nasty tweet indeed and it's now got the usual apologists saying "can't you see it was just a JOKE?" Whatever you call it, it has triggered many foul comments to be directed towards Alibhai-Brown.

I reckon he wouldn't have said that about a political opponent who was a man. It seems to have the flavour of "uppity woman could do with a few smacks" about it.

DenzelWashington · 20/06/2014 18:32

Funny how people tend not to joke about punching men. Just in case, y'know, the man in question goes all Eric Joyce on their ass.

AnnieLobeseder · 20/06/2014 18:39

Would I have to turn in my feminist badge if I went with my friend to see a Chippendales-type show?

UptoapointLordCopper · 20/06/2014 18:47

A few weeks ago I told off colleagues for joking about gender inequality. Said it wasn't funny if it happened to you every fucking day. I am the humourless feminist personified. Smile

Somebody at work joked about me controlling the purse string as well. I'm still cross about it though I didn't say anything at the time. In fact we have separate accounts and a joint account for household expense, mainly supermarket shopping and shoes for kids.

ballsballsballs · 20/06/2014 21:59

James Delingpole was on C4 news defending Fabricant's text. Yasmin A-B was in the studio with the female presenter.

So he starts off with 'the trouble with you girls...'. When the reporter said 'I'm not a girl' he replied 'You ladies then'. Apparently the tweet was 'just a joke' and being asked not to address women as girls proves his point that it's all PC gorn mad (I paraphrase). And that Yasmin was not targeted because of misogyny or racism, but because she is a thick-skinned human troll and the most annoying woman on the internet.

FFS.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 23/06/2014 13:03

Afternoon everyone Brew

I just thought I'd draw the MN feminists attention to this thread containing a survey asking for opinions on anonymity for those accused of rape/sexual assault.

i feel very strongly, as I know many other feminists do, that the accused shouldn't be granted anonymity in these cases (as with any other crime).

btw- She was asking for 'male' opinions only because she had more women than men fill in the survey - but says it's evened out now.

StormyBrid · 23/06/2014 16:59

I volunteer in a charity shop on Mondays, and always seem to end up finishing my shift with an harmful of small person clothes. Flicking through the boys' rail this afternoon, I spotted a t-shirt, for three year old boys, bearing the words "lock up your daughters!" Fortunately it was quiet today; I don't think customers would've appreciated my rant about it. FFS though, lock up your daughters? Why would anyone willingly dress their three year old son in something that basically proclaimed them to be a sexual predator in the making?

Dragonlette · 23/06/2014 21:01

I filled in that survey Sabrina, thanks.

Stormy, that sounds horrible. I think I've seen tshirts like that before and always wondered why you would want to dress a child like that, just like the "porn star in training" ones I've seen around for little girls.

I would just like to have a bit of a rant about how you lot have ruined my favourite books!! Obviously you haven't actually done anything to the books, but I've recently re-read a couple of books that I loved years ago and thought they were so romantic and the "hero" was so lovely. I now realise that actually the "hero" was a mysoginistic shit who didn't even remotely think of women as his equal, he just wanted a pretty little woman to show off how lovely he was. How disappointing :(

UptoapointLordCopper · 23/06/2014 21:07

I'm watching Midsomer murder - lots of awful men treating women in the most appalling manner. Hmm

UptoapointLordCopper · 23/06/2014 21:13

Centrum - the world's leading brand of nutritional supplement - "your nutritional needs are as individual as your fingerprint", which is why Centrum makes pills for men and pills for women. Because everyone knows all men are the same and all women are the same. Hmm

I really should stop watching adverts.

7Days · 23/06/2014 21:18

yy LordCopper that makes me roll my eyes too. 'As individual as you are'

And I love the silhouettes on the front of the boxes

UptoapointLordCopper · 23/06/2014 21:25

Now another advert about what to do when your feet need to look their best. Hmm Hmm

7Days · 23/06/2014 21:27

well you can't inflict horny feet on people in the summer. It upsets them

Dragonlette · 23/06/2014 21:31

Absolutely, we can't possibly be anything other than "beach ready" at all times. I'm beach ready, as in I couldn't give a shit what state my feet/legs/bikini line are in when I go to the beach, so I can go whenever the whim takes me.

kim147 · 23/06/2014 21:33

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UptoapointLordCopper · 23/06/2014 21:33

I've always said that if anyone is near enough to see the hair on my legs and comment on it they are near enough to accidentally kick. Wink

rosabud · 23/06/2014 23:02

Feeling a bit depressed that there are tshirts for little girls advertising them as porn stars! Really??

Today at work I was leading a female colleague who is disabled down a busy corridor and had to politely ask some senior male colleagues to move out of our way. The response? "Sorry, girls!" Grrr - especially galling as we work in an establishment where there are lots of real girls - ie young women under the age of 16. Imagine if I had called out to them, "Excuse me, lads!" Hmm

BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 23/06/2014 23:10

"I'm beach ready, as in I couldn't give a shit what state my feet/legs/bikini line are in when I go to the beach, so I can go whenever the whim takes me."

Love this!

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 24/06/2014 05:14

Queenmab, what you said upthread about the balance not needing to tip much before you said to DP "this is killing me, in a way that it will never kill you; the world is not set up for women to WOH - this is your job". That strikes such a chord. I am a huge advocate of women working outside the home wherever feasible, I am not always as sympathetic as I could be to the 'but it works best for our family for me to be at home' argument, and even still.

It is SO much fucking harder to work outside the home if you're a woman. It just is, and I feel like that needs to be said out loud, often. Even if you get rid of the home side of the equation: that is, that women bear the brunt of the responsibility for childcare, the societal expectations, the second shift, etc., there is still this huge weight on the other side of the equation, which is that it is bloody easier for men to work!

I'm ranty about this today because I am feeling really frustrated about my own job, in which this plays out time after time. It's not a high-pressure, or particularly 'macho' occupation, and all but one of the people I work with is female (hey, guess which person is the boss?), and even still.

A few weeks ago, an advocate for an affiliated industry group came to talk to me and my boss (I am second to the CEO) about something. Fine, we all chatted, agreed that when he had some more people on board we'd consider attending a working group. He followed up by email to just my boss. Who didn't reply. Weeks later he rang my boss to follow up; in his absence, I talked to him, assured him that I was still interested, would be available to attend said meeting even if boss couldn't also come, was across the issues. Etc. Fine. Today I realise that the meeting is set for tomorrow. Why don't I know this? Because I have not been sent an invitation to it, only boss has. Grrr. GRRRRRRR. This is not a highly specialised, top level fucking Pentagon meeting. This is a basic working group. I am grrrrr.

UptoapointLordCopper · 24/06/2014 07:59

Tortoise Shock Angry

I have started to be much more explicit about these things at work. I talk like I write on these boards these days. Grin About what I think they are doing, what that makes me feel like, why I think some things they do are morally reprehensible Grin, how what they say make me feel etc etc. I think to myself - what's the worst that can happen... Hmm