When will MRAs realise that it's Misogynists who hate men, not Feminists!

[BarfaStewart]

I was thinking about this again last night.

Feminists believe that men are not genetically programmed to rape, abuse, hurt, cheat or oppress.

Feminists believe that men are responsible for their own actions, and capable of behaving decently and treating others equally.

It's the Misogynists who assume that they can't control their penises/behaviour/actions.

It's Misogynists who believe women should manage their own behaviour to avoid triggering some genetic fuckwittery.

So, why is it that Feminists are painted as man-haters, and not those who actually do?

Answers on a postcard please....

Not so keen on ensuring that men take responsibility for not raping women though.

Funny that.

Oh, but they never rape. They've never hidden in a dark alley, leapt out at a modestly-dressed sober virgin, dragged her into the said alley and, enduring the vigorous fight-back, forced their un-condommed member into her vagina wherein they ejaculate.

Without all of those elements, it's not rape, donchaknow?

Yes that's right, they're very keen on ensuring that rape is defined in such a way as to ensure that most men who rape, can get away with it and have it not defined as rape at all.

Can't imagine why any man would have a vested interest in ensuring that. Just can't think why.

Because he doesn't realise that a world full of women who feel safe in the company of men is a world is a lot more fun for everyone?

Yes that's right, they're very keen on ensuring that rape is defined in such a way as to ensure that most men who rape, can get away with it and have it not defined as rape at all.

And conversely, that all women who sexually assault men should be locked up and never be allowed out.

Because.... and feel free to sing along....

women do it tooooooooooooooooooooo

Oh yes Kisses that might be it.

And it wouldn't have any other agenda, like maybe knowing that you're able to rape and get away with it.

Perish the thought that there's a man on earth who might not want that option to be unambiguously closed to him. Nothing could be further from a MRA's mind...

Oh, that reminds me, another category to add to the list:

The Stud. They would never, EVER rape. Rapists are disgusting. They should have their cocks cut off. I mean, you can persuade a woman to sleep with you, especially if she's drunk!

Its all harmless fun, I suppose. Its not as if your hurting anyone.

Quite! Some people just can't take a joke.

Kisses I have to say, you do have a way with words. I am saving this thread because I may have need in the future to plagiarize quote your posts.

They are also very keen on pointing out that men are just as likely to be victims of domestic violence as women, that men are frequently raped by women, and that the circumcision of infant boys is exactly the same as FGM.

There is such a thing as a moderate MRA though. One of my best friends is one, and is of the opinion that equality goes both ways. Very keen on shared parental leave and the like.

He also believes that rape is always the fault of the rapist. I can't tell you how happy I was when he said that. Makes a change from the apologists that seem to be all over the Internet.

Dontgiveaway, one of my best mates is like that too. Doesn't understand that men are coming from a position of power and that the phrase "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" is applicable within the patriarchy.

Curlaw, indeed!

curlEw, sorry

Barfa, that's a good point. But I see it as baby steps. If we agree on the issues, then perhaps he can learn to understand the underlying reasons.

Oh yes. At the risk of sounding like an utter twat (actually, I'm cringing as I write) feminism is a journey.

Kisses, I like your turn of phrase!!!

I think that the sad little MRAs are like the Borg (apart from the achieving perfection bit, naturally ), in that they try to force other sane people into their way of thinking. But at least the Borg was/were entertaining!

"while you should never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity, sufficiently obdurate stupidity is indistinguishable from malice."
How true that is.

So then - if we all love that phrase so much, is it all down to rank stupidity? Ignorance? Do we owe these campaigners a better education? Are MRAs just an offshoot of the X-Factor/Facebook/txtspk generation?

Why on earth do feminists owe MRAs anything? That is their mindset.

Are you saying that all people who enjoy X Factor, Facebook and texting are stupid? Enjoying light entertainment or social media may not be the height of academia but I think when we refer to the stupidity of MRA philosophy, as in all the examples already cited on this thread, we are talking about the inability to think analytically or logically (or even, sadly, on some occasions, sensibly) about a set of circumstances or experiences.

Obviously, MRAs are just entitled little twerps who are unable to cope in a relationship where women are equal. However, what really put me off the fathers' rights gang was am interview with the founder of fathers for justice several years ago. He agreed that, as an active a s violent alcoholic at the time of his seperation from his wife, he was not an appropriate person to care for children. However, he felt then that despite this, she shouldn't have prevented him from having care if the children because of his rights, which appear to have been prior to their welfare in his mind.

The pitiful excuse.

Misogyny, MRA, and pretty much every form of cheerleading for inequality requires that you ignore the fact that humans are very much individual and statements of the form "All women are X" and "All men are Y" are about as much practical use as a hatful of weasel sphincters*. It is not hard to observe this fact in daily life. Indeed, to not observe it requires that you believe things you've been told over the evidence of your own fucking senses.

If that isn't stupid, the word has no meaning.

*Population studies with proper sampling rates and statistical rigour that show that, for example, women have a lower average upper body strength than men, are not statements of this form.

"Indeed, to not observe it requires that you believe things you've been told over the evidence of your own fucking senses."

I'm not entirely sure that's true. It is possible to construct such an effective prism of perception that every single interaction you ever have with s specific group of people, can be interpreted through that prism in order to reinforce your view.

For example my uncle who is a racist and a misogynist, will experience something negative with whichever group he is interacting with at the time and add it to his mental picture of what that group are like. EG he had some altercation or other with a woman who wouldn't move her car for him, which proved to him that she was stupid, like all woman-drivers; she didn't understand what she should be doing because her natural stupidity prevented that. When he told the story, I perceived her "stupidity" as being an unwillingness to comply with my uncle's demands because she was labouring under the delusion that she had as much right to be on the road as he did, even though she was in possession of a vagina and not a penis. But his prism of perception will prevent him from seeing the evidence in the same way that I do IYSWIM.

Similarly an MRA who gets involved with a woman who will not comply with his expectation of sexual access to her body, will perceive her non-compliance not as unreadiness, unwillingness, reasonable hesitation because she's not sure she wants to shag him yet, but as further evidence that all women are gold-digging prick teasers and he would be better off going to a prostituted woman who doesn't have (as far as he's aware) any inconvenient feelings or ambiguities about allowing him access to her body for his use.