The Feminist Pub - come on in, chat, ask a quick question, ramble ... whatever you like!

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

Hello and welcome! Pull up a chair!

This thread started when we all decided to imagine what the perfect local for feminists would be like. So far, it has taps with plenty of good real ale, and some decent non-alcoholic alternatives too. There are comfy chairs and there's a feminist film night, as well as lots of nice feminist-friendly books on the shelves and space to curl up and read. The open-mic nights are attracting feminist singers and comedians, and we're just sorting out the feminist creche.

Old thread is here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/1875250-The-Feminist-Pub-is-Open-Chat-Rant-or-pull-up-a-chair-here. But don't feel you need to read or catch up - just jump in.

I'm having a nice cup of earl grey but there is wine mulling as requested.

What can I get anyone?

I play thread bingo too. Some sure fire winners:

1. What about the menz (and its many variations; I am thinking in particular about a domestic violence thread where the first non-OP post was to raise the issue of women as perpetrators)

1. I'm an equalist, not a feminist because . . . (and its many variations)

1. It's an Americanism (usually said in connection with some perceived linguistic abomination and often wrong).

@ thread bingo - who says feminists have no sense of humour??

I suppose I can be guilty of 'what about the mens?' because I really hate gratuitous leering at anybody - the Diet Coke guy and the likes just makes me itch (and not in a good way) or Calvin Klein underwear ads or dim, but nice husband being rescued by the condescending but understanding wife from some laundry disaster... gah!

I know better now . Still don't like the above though.

Pacific I agree with your examples. They are feminist "what about the menz," like having a penis does not preclude knowing how to operate a washing machine.

Like I said before, I have boys and I don't like what the patriarchy is doing to them either.
My DB feels very had done by at times by greedy womenfolk 'wanting it all' .

Ooh thanks Eldritch that looks Devine.

In advertising even the ads that seem to "turn things around" (like the diet coke one) or that appear to show men as inept (always at some tiresome bollocks like laundry or grocery shopping FFS) are not what they might at first seem
The yorkie ad, where the man carries the shopping from the car and his DP gives him a look of supreme nom-impressedness (you let that one go autocorrect!?) and others similar ones. They really piss me off because it might seem that he's being made to look like a numpty and she, therefore, is "superior" (someone must be after all ) but really, she just looks like an unappreciative, miserable grump and I think we're meant to feel a bit sorry for him because he did a good job and she just can't see how great he is and I bet she nags him as well....... IYSWIM.
Almost allholiday ads make me want to kill someone. And that's before I start thinking about ads for fucking face creams (just while you ponder Botox), hair dye, and diet products.
I can't near to watch commercial tv sometimes. But Lewis is on ITV3 so what can you do?

Phew. Right, I'm going to have a go at making one of those hot butted rum things. Anyone else?

I would love one thanks

I like that mumsnet is very female dominated.
Obvious isn't it?
I really am not fussed whether anyone thinks that's an anti male thing.
Actually, I don't really believe that anyone truthfully thinks that tbh. It's just something ppl say to try to maintain the status quo.
A bit like the golly thing.
If I was running the show and had the world at my feet, with pretty much every situation to my advantage I might be reluctant to give that up too, or to acknowledge that my privelege was hurting anyone else.

That really sounds like a truly scrumptious drink. And when I start drinking again it's in my top 3 to try straight away.

I like it too, Amanda.

My whole career, I've often been the only woman in the room. It's nice to be somewhere different.

even when you are in a room full of women, you can still have the male pov being dominant. Sometimes I just don't even bother to speak, it would take too long to explain why I thought somethin was wrong.

Kickassangel, because there's one man there or because the women seem to be speaking from the male POV?

both often. Like the jokes from one guy about his son, only 1 year old, crying and how he should man up. He was joking, but still, why do we even have the phrase 'man up"

Those kinds of things.

I am wanting a hot buttered rum, but don't think I should if I am in bed with vertigo/nausea?

Have a virtual one kickass sorry you're poorly.

Low power. Night.

I hate 'man up' and have pulled people up on it in the past. Cried like a girl actually had me ranting in the office to colleagues in the middle of a proper work related discussion.

kickass - I RL I am pregnant. In the bar, I am knocking back wine by the gallon to deal with my spectacularly shitty week

I love the women-centredness of MN too, but value some of the male posters input and would really not wish to 'ban' a poster for being male (how would you check anyway? Look under their kilt??)
I am not v persistent in even lurking on FWR thread with obvious derailing/goading/MRA fuckwittery going on. I admire those who bravely battle on, but often CBA [light weight, like I said].

Oh, yes, the Yorkie ad
So many examples.

I was taking a whole bunch of boys (my own + assorted friends, aged 3 to 10) to the local fireworks today and they were all in the garden, going bananas with excitement, waiting for me to get the bugggy out the back door. They were screeching like... oh, I don't know, rabid baboons maybe?? Ear splitting screeching. To which the (male) neighbour said "You lot are screeching like a girl". Nope. They were screeching like overexciting children; I, being the only female present, was swearing under her breath, wrestling with the recalcitrant buggy saying nothing.

'Man up'
'Screeching like a girl'
This is the start of my Black List.
Any others?

Any buttered rum left? My feet may never be warm again...

Throws like a girl.

The aforementioned cries like a girl.

I throw like a girl. Always have done. I am quite sporty otherwise, but cannot throw to save my life

Keep'em coming.

I missed the 'crying like a girl' reference.

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I can't throw either. But what does 'throws like a girl' even mean? It is applied to those of both sexes, implying (as with cries like a girl) that there is somehow something inherently defective about how female children throw.

See, I think 'drives like a girl' or 'woman driver ' should be a compliment : being less likely to injure or kill themselves or a fellow road user surely is a good thing!

I have once had the opportunity to say a sweet 'thank you' to an irate driver who said 'You fucking woman driver' to me after he had reversed in to my stationary car - it didn't calm him...