Porn programme - C4

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It is really pissing me off that this is ALL ABOUT THE MENZ

All I have heard is how these poor boys are exposed to porn, developing addictions, unable to have real sex. Boo fucking hoo.

What about the effect on women? Like really. Really.

Yes I am watching it and thought the same.

I agree with you but I still think it's a very important issue to discuss. Porn is bad for everyone, not just women. If programmes like this need to be made to help get internet porn heavily regulated at the very least then I think there's a valid place for them.

The presenter was recently on ITVs This Morning arguing against the lad mags and no more page 3 campaigns, so I expect it isn't going to have a particularly feminist angle.

Was he? I read an article by him where he completely denounced 'lad mags' and said how ashamed he was to have been involved in that industry. Fickle!

i thought the general consensus was the damage done to women was trough how porn changed men's views towards them and sex in general.

how does porn directly affect women negatively?

Erm, yeah sinful1, you know, it just affects women through " men's views towards them and sex in general."

Is that not rather fundamental

I'm glad to find this thread, I'm about half way through and am really struck at how excluding of women it is. The presenter has an attitude of "porn used to be tits and fun and now it's lost its innocence and is messing men's brains up".

And the young lad talking about how porn has ruined sex for him because now he has to have anal (if he likes her bum) or missionary (if he prefers her breasts) and even then, the sex isn't as satisfying as masturbating to porn. And this hasn't been challenged.

Ok so this was programme that concentrates on issues from the man's point of view. Let's not despair too much for the moment. Porn is often a problem for many men (and its getting worse) and we need to primarily understand the effects it has on them.

Taken from the channel 4 site:

...investigates how teenagers' pornography habits have changed, and how the effect today's pornography is having on their brains

That'll be the definition of teenager as referring to males only? And why should that be our primary concern?

Yes it makes it abundantly clear that the default is male. If it had said only men, then fair enough

If it had been advertised as, how porn is bad for men, that would have been great. I liked how gail dines and her book pornland was featured. She has done a lot of research around porn and in particular talking to teenagers about its effects.

I don't think that's a bad thing at all, and as I say I'm only half way through, so perhaps the second have addresses the issue from a female perspective.

What the young porn addict was saying was really disturbing and Martin Daubney didn't pull him up on it at all.

He was asked if he had sex with 'real girls' and what sort of sex did he have with 'real girls'. He replied, 'depends what they have'. (I was hoping I'd misheard and he had said 'depends what they want'.) 'If they have a nice arse it's got to be anal, and missionary if they've got nice tits so I can play with them', and it's not as good as porn because, 'real girls haven't got the confidence'.

At no point did Daubney suggest that maybe he should think about what the 'real girls' might want. Instead, minutes later he was telling the young chap what a really very nice bloke he seemed to be.

Fuck ArmyofPenguins. That sounds awful . Where are those people arguing that women aren't objectified?? There's a "really nice bloke" objectifying women and no-one notices (or cares).

What came across to me was how simply men who use porn don't "get" it. Daubney saw his role as former editor of Loaded as somehow disconnected from what goes on now. News flash...no it wasn't. Your crap set the scene for what was to come, so acting all shocked was disingenuous to say the least.

Not disingenuous, just clueless

Both probably, though I think he was more in denial than not understanding his part in the problem.

Maybe if he had a daughter he'd have taken a different approach. The programme really needed two presenters.

This is a whole series of progs isn't it, maybe there will be another prog about the effect on girls and women?

What has been put on this thread is really disturbing.

The journalist talking to the porn addict in the car was like a spoof at times.

No, I think it was a one-off.

Fuck ArmyofPenguins. That sounds awful sad. Where are those people arguing that women aren't objectified?? There's a "really nice bloke" objectifying women and no-one notices (or cares).

but he's just one person, an extreme case. Hardly a great case for proving that porn causes all men to objectify women.

oh and that Gail Dines was talking nonsense, i'd question if she really has seen all the porn that she claims. Yet another one trying to make out that extreme porn is mainstream and is what all kids are watching.