Porn programme - C4

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It is really pissing me off that this is ALL ABOUT THE MENZ

All I have heard is how these poor boys are exposed to porn, developing addictions, unable to have real sex. Boo fucking hoo.

What about the effect on women? Like really. Really.

I really don't think any teenaged girls would get much from this programme, other than, 'we still don't matter'.

Extreme porn is mainstream: you only have to type the word 'porn' into google to see that.

that's no proof, it'll just bring up any site that has porn in the title, which is no indication that it's the most popular. I think you will find people are a bit more specific with their searches than just typing in 'porn'. They will more likely to type in their favourite model, fetish theme etc.

Interestingly when i type in porn into google on my computer, the top search is the Daily Mail oh dear!

They'll type in their favourite fetish/model/theme when they're looking for the first time?

Are you quite sure about that? I think you're daft.

Oh, in case I get deleted for calling you 'daft' libertarianj (after all that's a bit personal), I will say that just because you and other adults have found their niche doesn't mean that thousands of children won't have to wade through the most violent images to find theirs.

But, I suppose it's all good in the end. The most important thing is that we can all find our 'niche' and be satisfied. Freedom for the consumers!

Have to say I agree with Army. DS isn't going to know to type into google "loving mutually satisfying non-violent sex amongst consenting adults " is he?

Besides, I'm guessing that a lot of what our DC will first see will be shown to them by others in the playground - not exactly them searching by fetish!

I don't think libertarianj is particularly in touch with the reality kaseyM.

This is only slightly off topic, but when posters assume that many feminists haven't checked out some of the 'egalitarian' porn out there, they're being ignorant.

I've looked at femjoy, ex-art etc. It's not divorced from the cultural power structures. The postions, the clothing, the role-play. And wherever there is porn, there is a power structure, even if it's only between the watcher and the watched.

Porn exists to eroticise power structures, helping to keep the sexes hostile to one another and to make money.

The very thing it doesn't do is free people to explore their sexuality. It's like religion in that sense: sexuality, particularly women's, must be controlled. Women who encourage men, or can't reign them in are sluts. Sex is dirty. People should be punished. Etc etc etc.

The feminist critique of porn doesn't share much at all with the Christian Right critique, although lots of libertarian types seem to think so. The Christian Right thinks all the slutty women will ruin men; porn thinks all the slutty women will ruin men. Won't anyone think of the addicts!

Feminism thinks women should get out of this shit.

ah but if the filters are fitted and they will be on by default on mobile phones, then the last thing they will be typing is porn, if they want to bypass them. The content control will just flash up. We shouldn't underestimate their tech skills.

Also wouldn't they type in something like naked women/men or sex before porn? and are you saying pubescent kids/ teenagers don't have specific things that turn them on?

But, I suppose it's all good in the end. The most important thing is that we can all find our 'niche' and be satisfied. Freedom for the consumers!

i agree, and i genuinely believe that this the case for the majority of people.

Porn exists to eroticise power structures, helping to keep the sexes hostile to one another and to make money.

hostile in what way exactly? and is there much money in it these days?

The very thing it doesn't do is free people to explore their sexuality.

er i think it does for a fair few people, especially given the massive diversity of it these days.

I did say it was slightly off topic. So libertarianj, those kids looking up porn - are they looking up their favourite model/fetish? Or are they just googling porn?

Ditto, the sharing on their smartphones.

Sorry, missed your last post.

No, they will type in 'porn'.

HTH

"But, I suppose it's all good in the end. The most important thing is that we can all find our 'niche' and be satisfied. Freedom for the consumers!"

That is sarcasm. As you know.

Do you think children will be able to bypass the violence as things stand? Do you care?

There is hostility between the sexes, libertarianj. What else haven't you noticed lately?

The talk of consumer freedom is all well and good assuming the audience is restricted to those with "real" sexual experience or at least an adult perspective on the subject matter, but kids / teens / adolescents don't have that experience don't know what turns them on yet so can't carefully search for any fetish or mild turn on. They are still learning the subtleties, still at the very start of understanding anything about sex and sexuality other than the "mechanics" taught in school.

Teenagers on the net are "ham fisted" and blustering about in a world that was, until very recently, mostly inaccessible except via the drawings on pots at the British museum or magazines sniggered over behind the bike sheds. This is not a sophisticated audience of "consumers". This is instead a wide eyed and innocent audience of "I know nothing and want to know something" adolescent boys and girls.

What they had on offer pre-internet were pictures of naked women in magazines (remember - the porn laws in Britain are still the most restrictive in Europe). So in an effort to know "something" they go in search and now have on offer at the click or touch of a screen the full range of fully hard core pornography - bestiality - fake rape - sexual violence, three girls pissing all over each other - nothing to do with real sex that men and women (or any other combination) might ordinarily indulge in for pleasure.

My teenage son is pretty good at cricket and I want to encourage and help him - so we watch the cricket when it's on TV. I don't make an effort to watch Baseball with him. Or horse racing.

Baseball will teach a teenager nothing about cricket and porn will teach them nothing about sex.

I'm worried that teenaged girls who watch this documentary will feel like they're not doing enough to please the boys.

It wasn't clear enough that the boys' problems couldn't be cured by 'real girls' just making them happy.

Girls and women are conditioned to please men. I don't think this doc helped them at all.

Libj is obviously under the impression that every teenage boy and girl is a connoisseur of porn like wot he is.

There have been surveys of kids asking them about the kind of porn they have seen e.g. bestiality, etc. And it confirms kids are seeing extreme porn like this whether they looked for it or not. And kids share this stuff on smartphones.

Also this affects the women appearing in porn. They are real women having this stuff done to them.

The kids in the film confirmed that they didn't even need to search for porn to see it, it was popping up on their Facebook feeds whenever one of their 'friends' (of which they'll have many) liked it. They mentioned three different types of bestiality they had seen on Facebook recently. If that doesn't count as extreme then what does?

libj - a connoisseur of porn? But surely you are mistaken there Penguins? He argues vociferously that objectification of women doesn't exist and he himself doesn't practice it. He can't possibly be wanting page 3, lap dancing clubs, prostitution and be a porn user. Could he?

Because none of those things ever objectify women do they? Women aren't interchangeable or have unrealistic set standards of beauty and performance are they? The porn users/punters are really interested in them as fully fledged people with interests and opinions and a life aren't they?

Oh wait...

I didn't see the programme and after reading this thread I don't think I want to....but perhaps by focussing on the effects of porn on boys' brains it may make parents of boys sit up and think about their child's mental health a bit more. As a mother of a young daughter I am constantly thinking how I can protect her from a sexualised world, it's up to me to teach her about healthy sex etc whereas parents of boys that i know tend to take the 'at least I only have to worry about one dick rather than many' view and leave boys to find their own way sexually.

I think a lot of parents of boys think that watching porn is a normal part of teenage boy life. If they realise that it could detrimentally affect their child's psyche and possibly screw up their child's chances of ever forming a loving relationship perhaps they'd be more proactive in preventing their child from accessing porn. Which would hopefully have a beneficial knock on effect on my daughter's future teenage life.