Sex: My British Job. Channel 4

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Anybody see this? It was just horrific. I really, really hope it reached the right audience: punters and their defenders. I doubt it, but I hope so

Sex is an intimate act, wino. Unwanted sex is nauseating beyond belief - it's an invasion of your bodily autonomy - it is not like giving someone a haircut or serving a plate of spaghetti to a customer you don't like.

Sabrina. Well that's your view however there are some who have few qualms about exchanging sex for money-get over it

Who wino? You? Brook magnanti?

They're few and thin on the ground - and I won't get over it whilst they're are untold others suffering.

Buffy-I don't think selling an organ should be legal anymore than selling blood should be-in my view it is a gift relationship- I give blood because it is the right thing to do and post death they can use me for spare parts. I would if I could donate bone marrow and I am on the organ donor register and would consider donating a kidney even to someone I did not know- but to do it commercially no. But I might consider heterosexual commercial sex (or non commercial if I got a good offer! )

But I see where you are leading, you may think that sex is something intimate and sacred part of your very Essence should not be sold and so selling it is selling part of you .well that is your opinion but I have news for you for many people sex is sex it can be a fun thing to do and there are many people who don't mind doing it for a bit of dosh

The fact that you would only consider heterosexual sex for money shows that there would be some emotional impact on you wino. Why not gay sex? If it's all so meaningless, and 'just sex' for money?

Don't fancy men- and many female prostitutes won't see females ( although some might if they were part of a couple)

But you made out it was the same as serving a plate of spaghetti? Why would it matter if you fancy them? It's just a transaction.

*according to you.

Of course buying sexual access to a woman is an act of misogyny. There is nothing lunatic about that idea nor about Andrea Dworkin's writings and analysis. She was a brilliant original thinker with a clarity of thought and expression which was quite exceptional.

Buying sexual access to a woman is an act of male entitlement and privilege. It is an act of sexual violence and often rape. It is an act of male dominance which benefits from society awarding women the status of the sex class.

Talking to a man who declares otherwise is a waste of time.

Wino is just here to mansplain to the laydeez that some of our sisters should be made available for entitled men to fuck. Because that is what women are for and entitled fucking is more important to some men than women's humanity.

And the utter complacency of his 'I don't fancy men' comment is quite something. Sell your arse down Kings Cross for a few months wino and then come back and argue for women being made sexually available to all comers as a nonharmful non misogynistic activity. Punting is a gendered activity, in case you hadn't noticed, so to understand the experience of the prostituted woman involves men, penises and penetration. (Usually with people you don't fancy. Duuuhhh, this is why they are paying you.)

All your cutting and pasting may become as meaningless to you as it is to us once you have got a few hundred punters under your belt.

Arguing for other people to sell sexual access to their bodies as 'work' when one is not willing to do it oneself is hypocritical and reeks of the worst kind of privilege. And the rude, condescending tone used to set the laydeez right on OUR oppression is just typical - clearing exposing how superior you think you are to women is akin to waving a red flag with 'misogynist here' written on it wino.

And your posts are too long, badly formatted, repetitive and lacking in original thought. We often get men on here thinking what they have to say is so most excellent that they can take up a huge amount of space on a thread. No attempt whatsoever being made to hide a sense of superiority and entitlement is very common in male posters on here. It is quite uncanny.

Wow that comment.
"Don't fancy men" huh.
Unlike female prostitutes, who only sleep with costumers who they sexually desire. Right?

And the utter complacency of his 'I don't fancy men' comment is quite something.

Yes, that was my jaw on floor moment too. I'm wondering how it is supposed to be different for a prostitute who most likely does not fancy the hundreds of men she "services"? Or does he assume that because the prostitute is a woman and her client a man she must "fancy" them all? The would be a male entitlement moment.

Never mind wino's teach yourself cut and pasting lessons, the sheer lack of any insight on his part is.... sorry, I'm at a lost to describe an attitude like that.

As Beachcomber says wino - get yourself down to King's Cross and have the joyful experience of penetration for money by people you don't fancy, then come back and pontificate about the business.

Yes that comment, more than anything else, says it all.

That comment shows what pro prostitution men think of women.

And what they think is that we are for fucking. For being penetrated by men, any and all men. It is an attitude that is engrained in rape culture - if a woman has fucked one man that makes her fuckable by all men. Because that is what we are for. This is misogyny, real misogyny rooted in contempt for women and a sense of male superiority because men have human status and women have fuck unit status (thanks for that excellent turn of phrase flora).

It is unusual for a man to show his contempt for and othering of women quite as plainly as wino does. Doesn't make for very interesting reading though.

I can well imagine that most prostitutes don't even like men, let alone fancy them. I certainly wouldn't like or respect any man who feels he has the right to pay to rape another human being.

There just isn't any attraction, otherwise money wouldn't be involved.
Many "sex workers" develop contempt for their male customers. They get the experience and see the worst of behaviours from scummy men and be used by them.

Only basing this some people's personal stories but it's probably common. How could it not be?

Goes along with the attitude that it's so much worse for a man to be raped (by a man) than it is a woman. Women are for men to have sex with so buying them or raping them is not ideal but it makes 'sense' despite the fact that rape and prostitution are nothing to do with desire or attraction and all about power and entitlement.

Not being a woman, I don't see how you can claim with such blithe confidence that selling sex is just like serving food.

“Not being a woman”

As a male of the species, I take exception to that point. The whole feminist anti-prostitution (and anti-porn) argument is based on a female view of what men think and feel. It seems to be acceptable for women (including Dworkin) to make statements “with blithe confidence” on male sexuality but not for men to do the same with regard to female sexuality. In fact, neither sex really knows and understands the sexual feelings of the opposite sex. Most men would fail utterly to relate to some of the female claims about male sexuality and behaviour expressed here and would find others incomprehensible.

Ah, I love the way you can identify a male poster on this board: they post their opinion as indisputable fact

Again, the same point, and I find this hypocritical, given that the opinions suggesting that men do not feel desire in certain circumstances or are “exercising power” are also posted as indisputable fact.

despite the fact that rape and prostitution are nothing to do with desire or attraction and all about power and entitlement

“the fact”

• the opinion, surely? I share the opinion that rape is to do with power. In fact, I have thought that for decades, before it became a common belief, but I disagree that the visiting (by men) of prostitutes has anything to do with the exertion of power, or perceived power.

Women find some aspects of male sexuality mysterious and incomprehensible and try to fill the void with these theories. Men do the same with regard to some aspects of female sexuality.

The only substantive anti-porn/anti-prostitution argument is that women, who constitute about 50% of society, do not, in general, subjectively like the existence of these phenomena and that perhaps men ought to give some consideration to this fact alone, but there is no point in asking men to pay lip-service to invalid theories.

Waaaaah!

This is a thread full of women being exploited and abused, but what about me and my man feeeelings!

How could you women be so unkind and judgemental?

Plus, you are lying about prostitution being awful, women love it really and the punters are just mysterious and not at all abusive.

Waaaaah!

A moot trial/sixth-form debating society argument if ever I heard one.

Like I give an inch of a flying kick what you think about my argument.

That appears to be the root of this problem.