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Feeling a bit let down by 'the sisterhood'

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Hopingitwillallbefine · 01/07/2013 14:05

I am a new(ish) mum to a dd (11 months) and have just returned to work full time. This was not a decision I took lightly but made for a number of reasons, including the fact that we really need the money for a deposit for a new house and I love my job and have worked hard to get where I am, and would like to continue to progress in my career. My DH also works full time. We are fortunate enough to have reasonable working hours (him 9-5, me 8-4) which mean that between us we are at home with dd until about 8.15am in the morning and from 5pm in the evening. Between 8.30 and 5pm dd is at nursery. We chose her nursery because we loved it immediately and continue to be impressed and happy with the quality and standard of care it offers. Dd LOVES nursery, has made a great bond with her keyworker and seems to have such lovely, fun and full days.

Apologies for the boring details of our life - all pretty normal stuff. However the reason for my post and what has really upset me/pissed me off in the past few months has been the attitudes of other women towards the decisions we have made as a family about working hours and childcare arrangements. I have lost count of the occasions that I have been met with undisguised horror, disgust or pity when I've told female friends or colleagues I am back at work full time. Not all of them, but enough to make me feel like a dreadful mother. Responses like "is there nothing you can economise on so that you can drop a day or two?" Or "god you poor thing, that must be miserable". Even my manager has asked me if i want to consider going part time now I am a mum. Similarly, I have been treated to a variety of unhelpful and at times offensive remarks from friends and colleagues about our decision to use a nursery including suggestions that we are risking our dd developing attachment disorder or questions like "is there no way your family could help?" (No), "wouldn't you at least prefer a childminder?" (No), "have you thought about how damaging it could be if your dd's keyworker left?" Etc etc.

These comments are so frequent that I now have a pre-prepared mini speech when people ask about work or childcare to try and head off all the criticisms and 'helpful suggestions'. What annoys me is the implicit assumption that obviously I am only back at work FT out of absolute necessity and that if there were any alternatives at all I would of course be working part time or not at all as all good mothers should - and to admit that I have chosen to return full time partly because I still give a toss about my career and enjoy being at work is tantamount to declaring that I couldn't care less about my dd. Further, I wouldn't dream of questioning another woman's childcare choices and have been really upset and surprised by how many women seem to think that nursery is virtual child abuse and it is their responsibility to educate me on the reasons why. But finally, and the reason for my post in this section of MN is that all of this, without exception has come from other women. Not one man has made me feel bad about my choices or questioned them in any way. Similarly, my husband, who earns exactly the same as me, has never been made to feel bad about being at work FT. Nobody has ever suggested that he might want to go part time now we have a child.

So I just feel a bit let down by women at the moment. I know it is impossible to 'have it all' and I'm not pretending otherwise, but I would like to continue to pursue my career while providing as much care, love and attention to my dd as I can. I love her more than I knew possible and love spending time with her. I feel genuinely excited every day when I go to pick her up and we have a lovely two hours together every evening after work when I am totally and utterly focused on her. We have lovely weekends as a family and spending time together having fun is so important to me. But I also love being at work and enjoy my day and feel so fulfilled by it. Shouldn't other women be supporting me and encouraging me, isn't this equality and freedom what we have fought for for years?

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AmandaPandtheTantrumofDoom · 02/07/2013 20:55

Hoping - Glad you have found the thread useful. I was thinking of you today as I chatted to a heavily pregnant woman complaining about all the 'oh my god you are huge' comments and how she sometimes went home and cried, because she was already being warned by her midwives that she was measuring well ahead and they wanted to keep an eye on her. Not the same, but also one where you would hope the sisterhood could keep their mouths shut!

StealthPolarBear · 02/07/2013 21:00

that's exactly what I'm saying. That happy mum = happy mum should come into this somewhere.

teetering13 · 02/07/2013 21:08

Are those all your worries or your hubbys too?

You say he doesn't get the digs, and that was what I thought you started the thread for .. but is it because he doesn't get the digs you do, but also doesn't have the stress you do about you going back to work and providing? .. You sound like it's all on you :/

PromQueenWithin · 02/07/2013 21:11

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Hopingitwillallbefine · 03/07/2013 09:02

Yes, I posted for two reasons really - firstly the fact that I have been faced with a lot of unexpected criticism and unwanted advice about my work and childcare choices that have all come from other women and generally other mothers which has left me feeling a bit disappointed that we can't all support each other, regardless of our choices. And secondly because despite the fact that my DH and I work exactly the same hours and earn almost exactly the same and are equally committed parents the expectation still seems to be that it is me who should be cutting my hours, sacrificing my career etc. I feel I am constantly defending our choices and yet he is never questioned or criticised.

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kim147 · 03/07/2013 09:13

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teetering13 · 03/07/2013 09:45

Well I'd say the same to him ... having a baby and putting it in care for over 8 hours a day doesn't make him no.1 dad in my eyes, there ... feel better now? :/

LadyClariceCannockMonty · 03/07/2013 10:44

Oh please leave it alone, teetering! You've made your point.

OP, all I can do is refer you back to the suggestion 'Oh, would you Like to call my husband and ask him why he isn't part time too? Here's his number.'

That'll shut them up Grin

teetering13 · 03/07/2013 11:24

Don't be so bloody rude and interfering! I was talking to the OP!

I have met a few people on this thread with no manners at all .. Have you all been dragged up or do you really think you are so important you can be so rude to people you don't know .. is it because you're hiding behind a screen? ... Whatever your problem is, you need to spend some time on it!

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 03/07/2013 11:26

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teetering13 · 03/07/2013 11:37

Why? because I said I think over 8 hours a day for a baby in care is too much? ... Seriously, you think that opinion is rude and bad mannered?

There are many things in society that are accepted as 'the way it is' while also being debatable ... So I came on here with a view that wasn't liked by the OP or others ... does that mean being rude to me is ok? ... Feminists maybe, forward free thinkers? ... no

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 03/07/2013 11:47

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teetering13 · 03/07/2013 11:51

No, I posted here because I think a baby in care for 8 hours a day is too much lol .... Maybe I should have typed it and put a line through it ;)

Chubfuddler · 03/07/2013 11:56

That wasn't what the op was asking for opinions about, as you well know.

If you feel so strongly about this perhaps you should picket your local nursery. But coming onto a thread in which an op is already feeling shaky and criticising her is a bit shit, no?

Why not go into lone parents and ask why they didn't try a bit harder at their relationships?

Perhaps you could ask the people on the weight loss threads why they got into such a state in the first place?

I mean if we're just going to mouth off our opinions, regardless of whether they are invited or relevant, in sure you've got loads of opinions to share. Or is it just threads on feminism that get your special treatment?

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 03/07/2013 12:02

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teetering13 · 03/07/2013 12:13

I am a lone parent, I'm hardly thin ... I get it now ... shut up if you don't agree with what we say? ...

I haven't offended OP or said anything those closest to her haven't said, she was asking why people didn't say the same to her husband, I'm just saying I would ... I think he's equally to blame. Fair enough, OP needs the money or she won't get her house in the right catchment area for the best school ... which is of course great parenting, after all .. it's all about what money can buy our kids as to how well they do in life isn't it?

ok .. fine .. I get it :) .. I'll leave

Chubfuddler · 03/07/2013 12:14

Good

peteypiranha · 03/07/2013 12:19

I think I know why teetering is being like this. It is viewed as very negative in society to be a single parent with no job so she feels defensive. I think it must be hard, but you shouldnt let other peoples or societys opinions get to you.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 03/07/2013 12:21

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Chubfuddler · 03/07/2013 12:24

Buffy either teetering is too stupid to understand why we object to her voicing these opinions, or she understands the point we've exhaustively explained and is being deliberately disingenuous. Either way enough time and energy had been wasted on her.

kim147 · 03/07/2013 12:25

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teetering13 · 03/07/2013 12:26

Yes we do get looked as negatively ... I can deal with it :) .. I'm not unemployed either, I have been though ... struggled like crazy while having society judge me ... maybe it's given me a thick skin and thats why I'm like I am ... I don't know, I don't feel I've caused offence with my opinion, Like OP says, she hears it all the time, she just wonders why it's not thrown at her hubby ...

I would throw it at her hubby too :) .. right, I really have to be off now ... I've also learned that there's no point hanging around when people have put you in their little pigeon hole

Hopingitwillallbefine · 03/07/2013 12:36

No teetering, of course I don't "feel better now"! I haven't failed to absorb your very clear views about nurseries from your countless other comments but perhaps by not acknowledging them you thought they weren't getting through to me. I will add your views to the catalogue of other people's unsolicited opinions which were exactly what I came on here to get support for coping with! And please don't deliberately misinterpret my post to suggest that I have chosen money and a big house over being at home with my child. Yes money and the dream of owning a nice family home are important to me, as are the security of knowing we won't be destitute if my husband is made redundant (he works for a small independent company), the knowledge that we can afford to have brother or sister or maybe even both for dd, the hope that we can send her to a good school, the pleasure and sense of achievement I get from pursuing my career are all factors, as are the fact we have no family nearby who can help us, and the fact that we are happy with nursery and comfortable with dd going there!! So please don't suggest I am a materialistic bitch who doesn't have my dds interests at heart - she and dh are my whole world. I want her to grow up happy, secure, loved - and knowing that when she grows up she has no less right to pursue her chosen career or dreams than any man.

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Chubfuddler · 03/07/2013 12:43

OP honestly, ignore the troll. The smiley faves liberally scattered through her posts are intending to goad, that's the whole point.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 03/07/2013 12:47

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