Anyone watching 'The other Boleyn girl'??

[Italiangreyhound]

Seems like a pretty crap time to be a woman (or a girl)!

Anyone know how true it all is??

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other_Boleyn_Girl_%282008_film%29

I think there's a theory we sort of squeeze things inwardly and help the little swimmers on their way.

Come blow thy horn, hunter, and blow thy horn on high
There is a doe in yonder wood, in faith she will not die.

Die=come. Filthy song, that is.

(Sorry, I hope it is obvious I am amused by human bodies, not rape. That was a bit of an inappropriate grin there.)

We need more good fiction about all of this.

I would like to know the state of research wrt the active female role in conception. Literally decades ago I saw a documentary which talked about cervixes reaching out to hoover up sperm. I wonder what else they've discovered and not talked about much.

I read a very good book on why Henry may have acted as he did, due to a genetic disorder.

Its called Blood Will Tell : A medical explanation for the tyranny of Henry VIII by Kramer.

To me it's clear he was a literal psychopath by the end of his reign. The book would also explain why he had so few children when he had so many pregnancies through his wives.

Up suck Tunip. I just found more than I could ever wish to know about it through google.

Ah, damn. My supervisor knows about that stuff and I said I'd ask her about it, and I didn't.

I would also like to know more about it, if anyone does?

I don't fancy googling, somehow.

Oh we do, LRD.

Todd Aikin (a man who knows nothing of biology, or of the legal definition of "rape")

Oh, wow. Up suck. Have googled. Thanks Chub.

Akin, sorry

I am now mentally putting Todd Aikin in Tudor clothes, with a black wool coif and a really silly beard.

How many pregnancies did Henry father, in total? Does anyone know a figure?

Margaret Beaufort was 13 when she gave birth to Henry Tudor. She was left unable to have more children.
She had been betrothed at age 10 to but that was annulled and she went on to marry Henry's father.
I absolutely think Norfolk put Catherine howard in Henry's sights once he knew that Anne of cleves was not making the king happy.
There was precident now, after all! Norfolk has managed to make 2 of his nieces into the kings mistresses and one even got as far as queen.
Some also think that Norfolk was a recusant catholic and favoured anything which damaged the union with the shmalkaldic league (a league of Protestant European states).
Catherine was approx 16 when she married Henry, who was bynghen grossly overweight, riffled with gout and had a suppurating ulcerated leg.
Lovely.
Norfolk, his son and grandson were all executed for treason.
He was a schemer in the grandest sense of the word and paid the price when his schemes backfired.

Useful figures about Catherine and Anne's pregnancies

He acknowledged (eventually) 4 legitimate children.
Princess Mary - by Catherine of Aragon
Princess Elizabeth - by Anne Boleyn
Prince Edward - by Jane seymour
Henry, duke of Richmond - by Bessie Blount.
Catherine of Aragon lost 8 dc to stillbirth/neonatal deaths.
Anne Boleyn lost 3 to mc/stillbirth
None of his other wives ever became pg.
There is some speculation that Catherine and Henry Carey were the kings children and also a man named Sir John Perot.
My feeling is that if Henry thought any of these children were his - the boys anyway! - he would have legitimised than as he did the duke of Richmond.
Only Elizabeth of all his children lived to old age.
Marry died in her early 40s
Henry duke of Richmond was 17
King Edward was 15
Elizabeth was in her 60s and had enjoyed pretty good health for Tudor times, but of course she had never had sex (sti's) been pg or given birth.

Norfolk survived. He was in prison under sentence of death and Henry died with literally a day to spare. His son had already been executed. Norfolk stayed in prison for ages and IIRC was released by Mary.

He definitely had sympathy with the old religion. He was very anti the dissolution but was a loyal enough servant of the crown to be in charge of putting down the Pilgrimage of Grace. That conflict is why I find him so fascinating.

Again, do you think Norfolk made Mary Boleyn into the king's mistress? Or did it happen regardless? What do we know of his actions that early on that suggest he had a hand in it?

NB I am not pro-Norfolk. He was indeed a schemer, and also a rather vile domestic abuser. I am kind of a sucker for his dry humour though. You can read a lot of his letters to the King and Cromwell at british-history.ac.uk and they make me laugh.

Does anyone remember a film about Anne Bolyne called "Queen of a thousand days"?

Do you really think Elizabeth was a virgin when she died badvoc?

Not one tumble?

As long as she didn't lose it to pervy Tom Seymour

Norfolk was a vile man by today's standards, but at the time was simply the head of a family, who actually came from almost nowhere, and had grown to be one of the most powerful families in the kingdom. He played the game - you had to. I'm not entirely sure whether he had a hand in Mary becoming Henry's mistress, especially seeing as she already had been mistress to the king of France. But I'm certain he was involved with both Anne and Katherine taking their positions.

I'm also not entirely convinced that Henry was the blood thirsty tyrant he is sometimes played out to be. The Tudor's had an incredibly flimsy claim to the throne as it was, and then the first born son died. Henry had seen first hand the panic and destruction caused by an unclean line of succession, and this was so driven into him that it was all he could consider. Which is one of the reasons I don't believe he was the father of Mary's children, as he would have acknowledged them in his desperation for an heir to the throne.