The invisible men project

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I think it's important that the buyers' choices in prostitution are highlighted and shared. This project was linked to on FB. Thoughts? I think it's a great idea.

the-invisible-men.tumblr.com/

It is utter nonsense to to describe punting and escorting as a cross gender activity. Utter utter nonsense. Two female punters are statistically irrelevant.

Did you three WhentheRed, GoshAnneGorilla and FloraFox, actually read my post properly? It's a lot more than just two women on one forum and if you read my post properly you'd realise this.

There are over 9,000 straight male escorts in the UK on Adultwork alone, of those 9k there are enough profiles where the feedback from women cross referenced against a lack of any other activity like webcamming points to at least hundreds of women who have paid these men for sexual services. Add to that the numbers who are not on Adultwork, like the male strippergrams who get propositioned by women at every gig they attend and I'm afraid, evidently you are wrong.

I am sorry that you find being wrong so upsetting, and personally so by the reaction but the evidence speaks for itself.

9000 male escorts?

Compared to how many female?

Just to get an idea of how gendered you want me to believe sex work actually is.

Upsetting? No. I am incredulous that you think punting and escorting is a cross gender activity. What you have posted is in no way good evidence that supports your claim. You have no way of knowing whether those 9000 straight male escorts are actually escorts having sex with a meaningful number of paying women or if they are just chancing their arm that they might get paid for sex.

FloraFox "You have no way of knowing whether those 9000 straight male escorts are actually escorts having sex with a meaningful number of paying women or if they are just chancing their arm that they might get paid for sex."

So what about the feedback given to these men from women who are not listed as "Offering Services" but as "Seeking Services" ?

It's all a bit tedious isn't it ? The same old pattern of coming on here and pretending to have a reasoned debate when in reality, all that is wanted is the right moment to promote their own agenda. FFS.

The people who post on this site are unbelievably disgusting. barely human filth. The only thing worse than being a sex worker who encounters them is actually being them. no-one this base and vile can possibly be enjoying their existence.

Blistory That is nonsense, I have stated that I read forums and the post from Catlike had been on my mind. I knew it was wrong, how is that my agenda? It's more telling that when you are proven wrong on something that many of you feel the need to go on the defensive and decide that It's all a bit tedious isn't it. Well no actually, I think it's an important matter, worthy of debate and if that's all you have to offer perhaps you'd be better off trolling elsewhere.

I note that no one has said anything about my post on Sat 10-Aug-13 11:56:14. Further evidence that some people here are only interested in arguing rather than genuine discussion.

How nice it is for you to have found a space where you can discuss Women's Rights.

How very lovely of you to point out to the regular posters on here just how wrong they are.

How very astute of you to spot my trolling.

MNHQ, delete me, I don't care that I'm being a GF but there's a couple of MRAs around just now that are just on the wind up and I'm only human.

Punternet, obv. I have had my quarrels with MN over the years but I have never felt the need to call my fellow MNers "barely human filth". Apart from the people who let their kids have fruit shoots of course. That scum

And then I woke up, and it was all a dream

sg I don't care much about that site or how many male escorts or female punters are supposedly on there. It's not meaningful evidence that contradicts the frankly fucking obvious position that prostitution is a highly gendered activity.

FloraFox So Adultwork's 9,000+ male escorts with varied feedback from women means nothing in terms of evidence for anything while punternet's published reports on male exploits of women are to be considered gospel? Right thanks, got it now.

Blistory "How nice it is for you to have found a space where you can discuss Women's Rights."

I'm not discussing women's rights, show me where I have?

"How very lovely of you to point out to the regular posters on here just how wrong they are."

One poster so far, only one. The rest is debate and I have conceded a few points myself, an open mind helps with that, you should try it.

"How very astute of you to spot my trolling."

Not really, it's a bit obvious, and it's what many people resort to on forums when losing an argument.

Groundhog Day is such a boring bloody film when you've seen it a million times.

The p net published reports are demonstrations of the choices men make in purchasing women for sex and how they describe the women and their own experiences. You know, the actual topic of this thread. I did know that prostitution exists and that men buy women for sex before I read this thread and I expect most of the other people on this thread did too. I'm not using p net as evidence of anything other than the insight it provides into the choices of the men who wrote them as published on a moderated website.

You are taking the fact that 9000 possible chancers are signed up to some random website and a handful of female possible punters as evidence that prostitution is not a highly gendered activity. That doesn't stand up as evidence.

Right.

So now the justification for the institution of prostitution as it currently exists in patriarchy is "Women Do It Too ".

No they don't.

Women do not dominate society, class themselves as being higher status to men, oppress men through the mechanism of a sex based hierarchy and then insist that a class of men be globally available to be penetrated.

Women as a class do not to any of those things.

do any of those things.

Grim stuff that. It amounts to, in the western world I think, about 1% of men as habitual users of prostitution and 15% who try it at least once in their lives? While advertising and education may lower that 15% I doubt it would ever change that habitual percentage. Making it illegal would dive it underground, foster crime and worse exploitation I would think.

I just cant understand the male head-space of prostitution use. I knew a dad many years ago who was 'good mates with his son' who told me he had paid for his son to lose his virginity. He was quite serious, he told me quite proudly, like is was all part of sharing some kind of 'mens club/mens initiation' business. Oh god that was vile. Aside from him I got to know quite a few different men who used prostitution services, a side effect of working for many years in a shop only a few doors away from a large legal brothel.

They were a very weird mix of men, some were utterly odious and vile creatures, successful and proud pure 'users' with private opinions of women fit only for toilet walls, though publicly they could be as charming to women as anyone could be. Others were ..hmm... quite lost and pitiable. They were awkward and dysfunctional in their ability to deal with women socially. Others seemed deluded... not sure if that's the right word though, they seemed to think the women they paid to have sex with actually enjoyed their company and the experience.