The invisible men project

[ArmyOfPenguins]

I think it's important that the buyers' choices in prostitution are highlighted and shared. This project was linked to on FB. Thoughts? I think it's a great idea.

the-invisible-men.tumblr.com/

And don't forget escorts do leave feedback for clients as well.

If a client isn't respectful he will get negative feedback which other escorts will read before deciding to accept a booking from him or not.

arsenal said:

"IF she came from an abusive background, then how come others from a similar background are not prostitutes. "

Because some women from abusive backgrounds think that nobody would want to have sex with them anyway, let alone pay for it because of how little they value themselves because of the abuse.

This one? So I'm a "passive exploiter" who ignores damage of my own incredibly selfish actions?

Sounds like ad-hominem to me. You throw around accusations and insults but can't back them up.

"A man who is willing to be involved with prostitution is a passive exploiter who either doesn't understand or chooses to ignore the damage of his own incredibly selfish actions."

If you haven't seen this you might want to have a look. From 4 min in Brooke Magnanti debates with Rhoda Grant on whether Sex Work should be illegal.

Yoda, do you care how the women you are paying feel about they are doing?

arse no need to explain, after you clarified that you hadn't simply posted that in a passing moment of idiocy, it was clear what you meant.

Your middle paragraph is illogical. Your conclusion is stupid.

How about "how can we trust men to run society if I think they are rapists"?

Maybe making it about the menz will help you process it.

Yoda what steps do you take to determine whether a woman you are buying has freely consented, is happy with her choice on an on-going basis, has not been subjected to abuse in the past or is being subjected to abuse, has no alcohol or substance abuse problems and has no mental health problems?

Hi arsenal

Somewhere up thread you stated that you'd feel bad if your son went to a prostitute. I presume that means you think that a man going to a prostitute is making a bad choice.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

FloraWe fundamental disagree on whether they enter into the industry willingly or not. To clarify I do not think women are incapable of running society, but if you cant follow my logic then honestly who cares.

thedoctrine
^No I am saying "how come others from a similar background are not prostitutes?"
"How come other men choose to visit prostitutes others don't?"
In both cases they are choosing the easy way out. The former (Prostitutes:) instead of getting yourself out of the situation through hard work, they choose to sell their body because they can get more money.
The latter (Punters:) instead of working on the reason why they dont connect with people, they choose the easy way out of paying someone for sex.
My point in this thread is punters and prostitutes are as bad as each other.^
No one cares about the other, its just business.
Yes I would feel bad if my son went to visit a prostitute or my daughter became one.

Anyway it seems like I'm repeating myself now.
Thats why they say never argue with a woman .

FloraWe fundamental disagree on whether they enter into the industry willingly or not. To clarify I do not think women are incapable of running society, but if you cant follow my logic then honestly who cares.

thedoctrine
No I am saying "how come others from a similar background are not prostitutes?"
"How come other men choose to visit prostitutes others don't?"
^In both cases they are choosing the easy way out. The former (Prostitutes: ) instead of getting yourself out of the situation through hard work, they choose to sell their body because they can get more money.
The latter (Punters: )instead of working on the reason why they dont connect with people, they choose the easy way out of paying someone for sex.^
My point in this thread is punters and prostitutes are as bad as each other.^

No one cares about the other, its just business.
Yes I would feel bad if my son went to visit a prostitute or my daughter became one.

Anyway it seems like I'm repeating myself now.
Thats why they say never argue with a woman

Arsenal, do you really, honestly think that prostitution is the easy way out?

I can follow what you're saying arsenal but it's not logic. The thing about logic is that you don't get to make up "my logic". Saying "some women are involved in prostitution for reasons that negate the concept of free choice" eg abuse, addiction, mental health problems, can never logically lead to the conclusion that women are not capable of running society.

You've made it very clear that you just don't care about prostitutes and that seems to be the cornerstone of your beliefs. On that basis, everything you say is just repetition.

He keeps repeating that prostitution is "the easy way out" as well.

Because being regularly masturbated into is an easy way to earn a living.

Yodadoctor do you tell the women you know in your RL that you are a regular frequenter of prostitutes? Do you make sure that women who you intend to sleep with (who aren't prostituted women) know this fact about you?

Because for me, it would be a dealbreaker and I think you should allow the women in your life to make an informed choice about whether they get sexually involved with you or not.

Yes Basil it's such an odd perspective.

I dont see the point in trying to "educate" some of the posters on here.

Katy There are other ways to earn money.

arsenal, yes there are other ways to earn money - we all know that.

However, you didn't answer the question - do you really think that it is the easy way out?

Do you?

If someone thinks its better to sell their body than to work at minimum wage.

I've heard some women say that it's a very easy way to make money at first because it was something they were trained to do when they're children and abused at home. But in the long-term it wasn't easy anymore. To be used over and over.

arsenal I am not asking you what other people think, I am asking you what you think. Do you think it is the easy option?

If a female relative of yours was working as a prostitute, would you think that she was taking the easy option?

Yonitime, I think there comes a point when a person just cannot take any more abuse or put up with being used any more, no matter how normal it seems to them.

Yes, I would try to help her get a job etc.
But ultimately yes, she is choosing the easy way out.
Same goes for strippers etc.

Sorry, I just don't buy prostitutes are victims when its very very hard to find women that were forced into the industry.

Just look at Adultwork webcams etc. Its not far fetched for the women to enter into prostitution, just as its not far fetched for anyone that pays for webcams to eventually pay for sex.

It's common for those who have been abused as children to end up in abusive relationships, and it can be "easy" for a woman with that background to prostitute herself. It's something that has become normal, to give up your body. But I guess you don't care about that arsenal, as a punter.

I have never visited a prostitute in my life, I'm a happily married men.
We dont have to agree.

I'm glad you haven't. What's the point of you arguing for it then?