So who went on a

[Leithlurker]

Anti Bedroom Tax march and what one?

[Leithlurker]

Oh that certainly is passive aggressive calling me lazy when I have spent most of my time answering accusations or defending why this is in fwr. I have explained when I have been able to, I have supplied information when asked. I have not justified my existence as I do not feel it necessaries to do so, why the heck are you still posting on this thread any way. You clearly have no interest in the issue only in telling me that I would not be your chosen marching buddy.

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

I think it is lazy to refuse to answer questions about the topic, or to provide proper info in the OP. 'On the wind up' would be another apt term. If you want to promote this event, why on earth won't you tell us about it, tell us what's good about it, and convince us to support it? Sorry, but yes, your focus on 'why feminism is bad innit' does put me off attending and does make me suspect your motives.

This is not 'passive aggressive', it is simply me telling you why I don't feel convinced to go on the march.

I've looked in vain for any information on this thread about the march ... you couldn't be bothered to provide it. What a waste of time.

Ooh ... but Game of Thrones has downloaded now, so it's not all bad.

[AnitaKnightSavesTheWorld]

The only info I've seen on the thread is that piece that IsBella linked to. I wouldn't attend any March or stand with any organisation that has Dave Sherry speaking for them.

I'm yet to be convinced that the bedroom tax is actually a feminist issue - I've heard a father's rights group calling it a 'tax against fathers'.

[Leithlurker]

Because if you had read the bloody thread instead of coming here to tell me that you don't like me because you have a made up idea of what my views are on stuff you would have bloody seen that the marches had already taken place, in fact the clues are littered all over this thread not least by the reference to the sidebar with chibi about the event in Glasgow.

I asked people to talk about a march that they had BEEN on.

[chibi]

if thousands of other women want to support and make common cause with people who don't see them as human, and who hold them in contempt is depressingly familiar but not a valid reason why i ought to as well

people willing to hang around hoping for scraps from those who despise them are probs beyond being hurt by me declining to join them anyway, but it sure is cute of you leithlurker to be so concerned on their behalf

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

I read the thread.

I just happen to disagree with you.

I liked the marches I went on because they didn't include people who were pro-sex-worker. I felt safe at them.

HTH.

[Leithlurker]

Do you know why the fathers group called it that Anita, and did you read the bit where I said that the welfare reforms as a whole, bedroom tax in particular will work against women just because they are women.

But to answer the point you raise in case I am accused of being Lazy. Fathers who live seperatly from their children and who have already got access arrangements, or who are trying to get access arrangements will be penalised by having a room in their home that children can use when they come to stay. It was suggested by Lord Fraud on radio 5 live to a father in this situation that he would have to downsize his house to one he could afford and buy a sofa bed for the kids to sleep on in the living room. I would say the implications for women are pretty large from this one aspect of the bedroom tax alone.

[Leithlurker]

You read the thread but not the title apparently, or LRD you would not have been badgering me for frankly useless and inappropriate information.

And again the accusation of being pro sex work, throw the mud it will stick eventually.

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

Erm, the title is 'So who went on a'.

Did you mean it to be something else? If so, report the thread and get it changed to what it should be. There is no information whatsoever in the title!

I have already said that I don't agree with your pro-sex-work views. I am aware many people are much more pro sex work, but I'm afraid that doesn't make your views more palatable to me. I don't have to justify this: it is a really basic point for me and for a lot of feminists.

[Leithlurker]

Another reason why this is a feminist issue although frankly I am surprised that I even need to explain why it is a feminist issue is:

Families are deemed to be over occupying if two siblings have their own room, so a brother and sister up to the age of 10 (I think) will be forced to share a room. Two siblings of the same sex will be forced to share a room till 12. Many single parents those headed by women, will be forced to leave their homes and move to smaller houses or find the extra money deducted from their housing benefit.

[Leithlurker]

You have not even shown that I am pro sex work though LRD, which parts of the quotes YOU choose, showes that I am in favour of prostitution, stripping, pole dancing, hooters, or any other form of the sex industry.

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

We all know many single parents are women.

I am not sure why siblings sharing rooms is a feminist issue.

I do not see how either point makes you think feminists who disagree with anti-woman policies and/or feel unsafe with this sort of march, would suddenly ignore their principles to support it?

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

leith - I quoted your pro-sex-work views, and if you read my post, you will see my explanation is there too.

[IsBella]

What is this thread about please?

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

I would like to know that too, please!

[chibi]

i think it is about why feminists are rubbish and doing it wrong, and how they perhaps ought to be a bit more like leithlurker

[AnitaKnightSavesTheWorld]

What LRD said.

[AnitaKnightSavesTheWorld]

(at 18:10)

[IsBella]

I didn't go on a march because I cooked roast lamb and drank red wine.

When I go on marches, it's with women who aren't rape apologists.

I'm disinclined to spend my time and energy with lefty boy willy-wavers who tell me that women's issues are a bourgeois deviation from more important issues (them and their willies and their right to put them into women who are asleep while controlling the means of production while female comrades make the tea).

Am sick of spending time with them, they can all fuck off.

The lamb was succulent, the wine excellent, the company non-rapist and entertaining.

Had a lovely Easter Sunday, thank you very much.

[AnitaKnightSavesTheWorld]

IsBella. Yup, I'll raise a to that.

[Leithlurker]

Your shitting me right? I mean come on, single mother households being forced in to moving....................

I started a response but then a friend of mine came in, she was on the March in Edinburgh on Saturday, she did social policy at Edinburgh uni as a post grad and at masters level, worked for cab for 12 years. Has spent 30 odd years fighting and working for womens issues, you know what I showed her this thread and she advised me to "leave it, people like that have no idea what working class feminism is about." I wish I had recorder her saying that. So dear friends, thats it, I seriously doubted you could not see the implications for women and how this would be a feminist issue, but since you cannot and apparently never will I am leaving this thread to die it's own death

[AnitaKnightSavesTheWorld]

And die a death it probably should. Personally, I'm pleased not to have attended a march where the following was reported:

the stewards decided to appoint themselves law enforcement positions and start physically trying to throw us off the demo. They effectively kettled us, and we were shoved together very tightly, it was the sort of behaviour you would expect from Strathclyde police, not other lefties. Male stewards started to grab young women and tried to forcefully shove us out of the crowd, they were going for some people repeatedly. We told them to stop touching us, and eventually they had to give up on trying to physically remove us like some kind of Keep Rape A Secret private security service. There was a clear gender divide in how they treated us ? anyone that they read as a woman was put in a situation of clear danger, with people screaming and touching them. Male activists involved report having ?keep your women in check? chat directed at them, but the worst of the grabbing and threats was reserved for female activists. Racist comments were directed at one activist for ?not even sounding Scottish?.

[chibi]

working class feminism = being down with rape apologia and misogynists?

i don't bloody think so. i say that as a working class feminist.

lololololol at you invoking your friend's MA and other qualifications as though that makes her more feminist than anyone else.

[SabrinaMulhollandJjones]

I agree with the others Leith - I think most feminists do not want to stand with rape apologists in the SWP whatever the issue.

And unless there are two Leithlurkers on MN (which I'm pretty sure is impossible) I have been on threads where you were arguing pro-sex industry/for people's rights to buy sex.