Five men facing death penalty after bus rape

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BBC news link here

I'm feeling conflicted about this. Obviously what these men did was horrific, vile and unforgivable. But I just cannot agree with the death penalty.

I feel like I am somehow excusing what they did by not wanting them to be killed, and I can't emphasise enough how despicable I find their actions.

Does the fact that they violated the poor woman's human rights so violently and abhorrently mean they should have their right to life taken away too? Am i being too soft?

I suppose I am asking how you all feel about this, how do you think they should be punished? Also have you ever had your feminist views conflict with other principles, and how have you dealt with this?

Hang on, why not sodamise and brutalise them?

I believe the death penalty is the wrong penalty to apply in this context.
It's not enough.

Because they didnt just kill her did they? They did something far worse.

The death penalty is too less a punishment.

Why shouldn't the perpetrator be given the same death as his victim? Why not?

You are confusing personal feelings with what is right.

If I or my daughter were raped I might feel all kinds of things and want all kinds of harm to come to the perpetrators, but that still doesn't mean that it would be right for society to kill them or torture them.

Just to clarify my point of view: I believe big, rusty metal poles should be shoved up each and every one of them men's arseholes till it ruptures their fetid intestines.

This should be done in a group environment while they are being jeered at, pawed at and generally humiliated and exposed.

They should all then be thrown off a moving bus.

Why not? They did it.

Why though, trills.

Because I think it's wrong to kill another person, and because I think all human beings should be treated humanely. No matter what they have done.

Tea junky - I would be very worried about having to walk down a street populated by the sort of people who would be willing to participate in your "punishment". Frankly, you sound a bit scary yourself (although I assume that is because you are a keyboard warrior and not because you could actually bring yourself to carry out those acts on a human (or any living creature) in cold blood).

Blue - really? So you'd rather men like them five walk down the street?

Yes you're right. They're probably a bit less scary for you.

TeaJunky it's all very well talking boldy in an anonymous forum but would you like to be the named brutaliser and sodomiser of those guys?

Ok trills, that's fine.

But were they human?

How does that follow? I don't want them on the street AND I don't want you on the street (as what you are saying makes you sound unbalanced). The two are not mutually exclusive fortunately - imprisoning robbers doesn't mean we want streets full of muggers.

Sorry, meant to say "imprisoning murderers..."

Expat. What about the people involved in killing prisoners who are being given the death penalty?

I personally wouldn't be in that kind of job either, but there are people who can do it, right?

I'm sure someone would be ready to do that, if it was the law.

But you're all for it teajunky so would you do it?

And you would advocate for a law that uses the punishment of 'sodomy' and 'extreme violence'

I love the way a person like me who believes in true justice is suddenly imbalanced!

Just because it doesn't follow the letter of the law. Which law anyway? India?! I can tell you from personal experience, in places like India and Pakistan there is no law. My parents come from there so I should know.
A woman is nothing, nothing at all in these places.

Yes, yes they were human.

"True justice" seems to be a matter of opinion.

Expat - don't know why you're so keen on forcing this answer out of people, as though its some kind of silencer and winner of the argument.

I've already answered it, and to make life easier for you, yes go on then, why wouldn't or shouldn't I?

You've pretty much said teajunky that you wouldn't want to be the one sodomising. So you have no right to ask anyone else to do it.

Grimble I get you, I think. imo out depends what you think the purpose of sentencing is. For me, I'm anti the DP in all circumstances. I am not of the opinion that prison is an easy option ( and those that are should visit a few, they are awful places) but I think most people given the choice would prefer to live. I think that the purpose of punishment is protection for society and rehabilitation where possible. So I don't see it as a moral contradiction.

TeaJunky would you like a child of yours to work for the state carrying out the types of punishment you suggest?

Once the state approved torturer has washed the blood and shit from their hands, hung up the rusty pole and popped their headphones in to drown out the memory of the screams and the pleading, do you want them sitting next to your kid on the bus back home?

I know I don't. This isn't what a civilised society should be aiming for.

Trills - there is no justice in these places, and particularly not for women.

Ok I'll tell you what. Why don't they allow the women of the land to decide on how to punish rape?

It will be a completely different approach to this softly-softly shit that women on mumsnet in the comfortable equal rights west are promoting.

Blue - would you want one of them five men sat on a (moving) bus next to your daughter, in a few years time?

Oh sorry I forgot. India is quite far, so there's no danger of that happening. That's ok then.

What sort of person would do what you suggest Tea? I would think that anyone willing to do that to another human being would be of questionable character to be honest, not someone I would want to know.

That's quite an image 'bluegrass'.