Good piece on sex work by Laurie Penny

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Here. She puts it a bit more elegantly than I usually do...

That really sucks, Katie.

You can bring your dc up to respect others, and teach them that people's bodies are not for sale. That women are the 'sex class'.

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BuzzyBecs

Ok, got the runningforthebus thing, what was your klaxon about?

A mate of mine worked at a brothel. £75 was charged for a full personal service. The owner who worked herself at £75 a time also took £30 a time off my mate everytime she provided a full personal service. The owner was minted with fancy house and car and young kids in private school. For the record my mate wasn't young and horny just vulnerable, skint and desperate. Anyone can fake an orgasm with help of ky jelly.

What country was that in Natalie? Brothels aren't legal in the UK.

That women are not* the sex class!

Franz1980 wrote - "major escort directories only list escorts who are at least 18 years of age".

How do you and the directories know this? Do they check government-issued documentation such as birth certificates or passports? If so, how do they do that over the internet?

If the directories don't check, all they do is assume that the people advertising their services on directories are at least 18 years old.

It was UK. Loads of things go on in UK and all over the world that aren't legal. So there was the owner, a maid who answered the phone and working girls. My mate had lucky escape and got out before the owner was arrested. Don't ask me the ins and outs of it all cos I don't know and I'm not that nosey. She tells me what she wants to I don't interrogate her as it not my buisness. It was in the news at the time. My mates head is messed up now though and she is on AD's and has counselling and will probably never live a normal life as she don't trust no-one. She worked with another working girl who self harmed and had scars all over her arms. The scars didn't put the men off from spunking there load into a johnny. Men who use women for there own self gratification don't get any sympathy from me.

Is katiemummy2012 a fake troll? Look at her comment on thread titled Dental nurse sacked for being too tempting to employer. Really hilarious. Not!

If the directories don't check, all they do is assume that the people advertising their services on directories are at least 18 years old.

There hasn't been a single case where Punternet has been notified by a legitimate authority over a profile posted by an underage person.

SAS no im not a troll i just found the dentists review hilarious, i wasnt the only one either!

katiemummy2012 - actually there are few comments on dental nurse thread and its not funny - its kinda gross. sure enough you found it funny this is what you said "hahahhahahahahha what a weirdo, obviously cant help himself when in the presence of a woman LMAO has to go to the bathroom to toss off whilst in the middle of doing dental work!" then you come on here , looking for sympathy, talking about your vulnerable husband who uses prostitutes. just doesnt seem genuine to me.

www.lifesitenews.com/news/archiveldn/2005/jan/05013106

"Germany Forcing Unemployed Women into Legalized Prostitution"

"News agencies around the world are carrying the story of a young German woman, a qualified information technologist, who has been told that she faces suspension of her government relief benefits if she refuses to take a ?job? as a prostitute in a Berlin brothel."

Why are we fed so many lies? The above never actually happened.

www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp

Would there be a rise in sexual crimes without prostitutes in the world? If prostitutes did not exist then how else would men deal with life? Their pent up emotions and desires?
Why is it we make exuses for men to buy sex? Oh they can't help it. It's the way they're programmed etc, etc.
Sorry to be crude but why can't they just have a wank? Why do they have to pay to get the same relief?

Why would a man wreck his reputation, his family life for a paid orgasm? He could bring himself to orgasm. Men have a brain in their heads, they have a conscience, they knowwhats right and wrong but they choose to pay someone for sex. How do they know the person they are paying haven't got hang ups or problems or history of being abused etc, etc? Just no respect. These men have mothers, wives, daughters, sisters so why would they be so disrespecful? It is because society makes excuses for them.

Just a thought- but for a 70 year old man or a disabled man having sex with an attractive 21 year old might be more exciting than their own hand and something they would never be able to do without sex workers?

Then there is the category of clients who could have "free" sex if they wanted it, but they sometimes visit a sex worker to avoid the risks/complications/hassle that might come with a one night stand or relationship.

But in the words of MSP Rhoda Grant who wants prostitution criminalized in Scotland "sex with a disabled person is disgusting". Yes she actually said that.

"Just a thought- but for a 70 year old man or a disabled man having sex with an attractive 21 year old might be more exciting than their own hand and something they would never be able to do without sex workers?"

I'm sure it might. And of course, we must never forget that a man is entitled to put his cock in a woman and if he can't get one to allow him to because she wants him to, then he's entitled to put it in one who doesn't want him to and is only letting him for money.

We must never challenge male entitlement to use women as wank socks.

Newsflash : it's not just 70 year old men or disabled men that use women as shagbags. All ages of men, all shapes and sizes, married or single, all different types of intellect. Men do it because they can and they can get away with it. Only when they get caught out does it become a problem. They won't freely admit to it.

Shagbags? Charming!
Any woman intamitly involved with a male partner should use protection. There is a huge demand for prostitutes you can see that by adultwork site and freeads in papers. You cannot trust a fella. Even the nicest ones out there are up to no good.

Rather a sweeping generalisation there, Natalie.

It is not inconceivable that in time where sex work is made legal and the liberal mind-benders can convince people that sex work is just like any other employment choice that women could be forced into it or have their benefits sanctioned.

When I first heard about the DWP sanctioning people who wouldn't perform free labour for corporates I was too shocked to accept it as fact.

There is at present a ban on job centres being used to advertise for vacancies in the sex industry www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/hyndburn/9689415.Accrington_lap_dancing_club_owner_in_job_advertising_row/ worth a read! amazing that so many women are now co-opted to be complicit in their own exploitation.

Slave labour was made illegal over 200 years ago and we now have a situation where the DWP takes down incriminating evidence from it's own website that proved workfare is forced labour. Twenty years ago I don't think anyone imagined that even the tiniest towns would have lapdance clubs and saunas on their high streets and that betting shops would sit next to "quick cash" loan sharks.

Interesting talk by Gail Dines, that seeks to explain how women have become complicit in their own exploitation. because of neo-liberalism (not just economics but ideology!)

Sex work is legal. No-one has been forced into it yet by the Jobcentre.

Not here but then how many unemployed people are told to become self employed???? or be sanctioned.

I have no idea, I've never heard of that at all.

Of course it has to be made legal for someone (always male, always rich, always capitalist) to exploit her wage labour as a prostitute.

The people with political (financial) power have no interest in whether women are forced into prostitution at the moment. Should the law change to legalise brothels that could change.