Violence Against Women

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Just been reading this blog post which talks about women who Transition as violence against women. I agree with her.

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Pan, there are an estimated 10% of Trans who regret transitioning. Usually after a number of years. But if you have had the full surgery and taken hormones, what do you do?

Nobody wants to oppress individual Trans people. You do know young children are nwo being diagnosed as Trans? At 5, 6, 7 years of age? Do you really think this is a compassionate approach?

Beach did you bother to read the whole thread? If you did you will see that LRD and others very slowly and very carefully tried to tease out what EBAL was on about. At each turn they were faced with obscure references, statements repeated time and again instead of informative or discursive points. This thread ata best has been antagonistic towards people with mental health issues, or downright dismissive of something you seem quite keen on, the real life lived experiences of people unhappy with the gender they were born in to.

It is a huge concern Eats, yes. I think that people are people and I can accept difference. Gender reasignment and hormones for minors, step too far.

I was a "tomboy" (hate that term) I am now very dainty although I don't do make up, hair, heels etc. I'm also gobby, confident and assertive, I don't do emoting very well (aspie????) so what am I? well I am me. many children go through phases, thank heavens many children are allowed to explore their world in a non gender specific way. Why do we jump in and label them trying to medicalise something that may actually come to be a form of human development (environmental factors.....think fish and rivers. I remember as a kid wanting to be a boy because boys seemed to have all the toys I wanted to play with! whilst I was given dolls, thank heavens no one in the 70's thought to medicalise normal behaviour.

Adults.......well lets just say they are old enough to make up their own minds and deserve respect and support.

10% is not a lot, Eats. That means 90% are happy and do not regret it

I am not saying that the 10% who are unhappy don't concern me - their happiness is important, and there must be lessons learned from them to ensure that the percentage sinks.

But would you have 90% live unhappy for the sake of this group?

I don't believe in therapy (other than counselling) for children. Once they are older, they can make up their minds. I would worry that they might be influenced by parents.

Most women who transition are very young i.e. teenage girls or very early twenties. And the truth this is all too new for us to know the lobg term consequences for women. There is some suggestion taht atking tetesterone may increase their risk of cancer and heart diseas. But really they are being experimented on.

Utter bollocks, this is not new at all what is new is the surgical treatment. Women have been dressing and acting as men for centuries. Many accounts of women dressing as soldiers, or sailors, going to war in some cases being very successful as men, including marrying other women. These were women plainly wishing to be men.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arch
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrika_Eleonora_Stålhammar
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Tipton

Some examples.

42 is the median age for transition when men are taken into account. It is not the median age for women. Women usually transition very young

Yes women have been dressing as men for centuries because society would not allow them to do certain jobs or behave in a certain way when they were women. That is not the same as them thinking they are men.

Women and men who detransition or say they regret it have posted their stories on the net as to why. They are massively attacked by some Trans people who want to hide the fact that so many regret it.

I hope you do have qualifications to come out with all this stuff EBAL or some properly researched evidence to back it up not just here say off the internet . These are real people with extreme problems and I would hate to think they are being used as a political football to suit your agenda.

Kim I am well aware Trans people have a wide variety of views. There are Trans people who think it is a psychological disorder and that you can't change sex and who agree with radical feminists.

I wish you could focus on the individuals concerned rather than the stress it places on your own personal politics.

V rightwing and narrow-minded to think it's a wrong thing, the end. It's not your life, why do you care so much? It's like it makes you physically recoil and threatens your very existence - I can see why many posters arecomparing the demonising of trans to homosexuality, it threatens systems or something to some feminists - I just don't understand why it matters so much! Live and let live, no?

If I don't have to be well-read to be a feminist, my instinctive feminist and human response to someone who wants to transition would be to support them, as it must be hellish. Aren't suicide rates amongst transpeople sky high? Have a heart.

Also, just want to applaud LRD's posts on this thread - I think you always tread such an excellent line of disagreeing politely with people in this section without ever being dogmatic or rude

Suicide rates of Trans people who transition go down initially and then climb back up to pre transition rates. This treatment doesnt work!

In terms of why it matters, it matters because under UK law anyone who is Trans man who says he is a woman, can access female spaces. That means men who say they are women can use female bathrooms, communal showers, attend sexual abuse support groups, etc.

And 75-80% of Trans people never have genital surgery. So in most cases we are talking about a man who still has his penis.