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Where did all the Feminists go?

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Portofino · 22/09/2012 19:43

MN seems to have had a reorganisation of FWR when I was on holiday and me no-likey. Why do we now have a Rad fem section and Feminist light chat. So many of the dynamic, knowledgable and interesting posters have disappeared. I have to say that some of the more radical stuff posted really made me think about my views and re-align them. There doesn't seem to be much of that anymore. I am disappointed to be honest.

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EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 23/09/2012 15:15

2.5-3 months if you want to be accurate BOF

HTH

BlameItOnTheCuervo · 23/09/2012 15:23

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BlameItOnTheCuervo · 23/09/2012 15:32

Um, that's a bit rude. You did though, I'm sure of it.

Oh well.

BlameItOnTheCuervo · 23/09/2012 15:34

I'm sure I'm mistaken

BlameItOnTheCuervo · 23/09/2012 15:34
Smile
summerflower · 23/09/2012 15:37

My answer to the opening post would be we're still here but sorry if you don't think I'm a feminist

BlameItOnTheCuervo · 23/09/2012 15:39

Summerflower, exactly!

KeemaNaanAndCurryOn · 23/09/2012 15:57

S'wot I thought too cuervo.

I like reading the FWR boards and also that a lot of the menz have now gone, so its more of a discussion about feminism rather than having to battle through the same old gubbins over and again.

I don't post much, but I read a lot.

garlicnutty · 23/09/2012 16:02

What you said, Summerflower ... without the 'sorry' Wink

HelenMumsnet · 23/09/2012 16:11

Afternoon. Sorry to be a bit late to this thread

Thought it might be useful to post up a few clarifications, as it seems there are some posters who are still unclear about a few recent thangs...

OK, so the Radical Feminism topic is indeed now no more. We said when we created it, in response to many requests, that, seeing as there were also some objections to the idea, we would take the topic down if it wasn't used. It wasn't used, so it is now toast.

Secondly, neither Artex nor anyone else (that we're aware of) trollhunted bereaved mothers on MN. We did have some reports from posters who were concerned about other posters in our Bereavement topic - and we did follow up their concerns.

As it happens, the poster whom people seem to be inferring was the one who was trollhunted gave us no reason to suspect that she wasn't genuine. But, very sadly, there have been one or two 'bereavement trolls' on that board in the recent past, so we, as always, were grateful to those who reported. We always are.

There now follows a short rant point about MRAs past and hopefully not present. We have acknowledged before that, when the Feminism category of topics was created, we were slow to understand that it would attract a fair few goady visitors, intent only on provoking trouble on the boards.

We are sorry that we took a while to cotton on to their MO. But, as several posters on this thread have already pointed out, they can be quite tricky to spot at first. They don't exactly run onto threads, shouting, "We hate feminists, ra ra ra!", but rather 'bed themselves in' with a few weeks of innocuous posting before starting to goad proper.

Things were undoubtedly made trickier by the fact that some posters reacted to them by posting repeated personal attacks. While we appreciate that this may be highly cathartic, it does break our guidelines.

And it also makes it quite difficult to warn someone for goading: they can - and did - simply point to the quadrillion personal attacks on them, and bat their eyelids all innocent-like.

As ever, we're grateful to those who didn't rise to the bait and, instead, kept reporting the sometimes ever-so-subtle goading. We wish we'd been quicker off the mark - but we think we did get there in the end.

Anyhoo, water under the (goady troll) bridge, hopefully.

We do understand that the events of past few months have been upsetting for many who post (or used to post) in Feminism - and we're sad to see that so many still feel so raw about it.

We do think, though, that there's nothing to be gained from going over and over what happened or didn't happen: it's clear from many posts on this thread that there are many versions and sub-versions of the truth and probably very few people who know every detail of what really happened. Even we at MNHQ don't know it all - as so much happened off-board.

We also hope that those Mumsnetters who've (unfairly) written Feminism (the category, not the concept) off as a nasty, unwelcoming place will revise their opinion and venture this way once in a while. There's definitely nothing we'd welcome more than strong opinions, fiercely held - as long as those who hold them, and those who hold equally strong but different ones, can spar and debate without rancour or personal attacks.

BlameItOnTheCuervo · 23/09/2012 16:16

Thank you helen, that's v helpful!

LRDtheFeministDragon · 23/09/2012 16:17

Thanks Helen. That post makes me (for one) feel a whole lot better and maybe we can all move on from this now and go back to chatting about feminism again.

Portofino · 23/09/2012 16:18

Thanks Helen!

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2012 16:19

Thank you Helen Brew

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 23/09/2012 16:32

Thank you Helen.

UnChartered · 23/09/2012 16:47

i'll drink to that Brew

garlicnutty · 23/09/2012 16:58

What a lovely post. Thank you for going to that much trouble :)

KeemaNaanAndCurryOn · 23/09/2012 17:08

Thanks Thanks Helen. Smile

PanofOlympus · 23/09/2012 17:10

Helen ? fine post imo, but a couple of things stick out:
Goading trolls (males) ? they had/have their identity slapped on their virtual foreheads. I recall Bob and someone else who posted at exactly the period, who?s only function was to wind up the feminists. Never posted anywhere else (except if it involved sexual or purely physical violence), and were repeatedly reported ( I did a few) - no ?evidence? of embedding whatsoever. There was a thread 2-3 yrs ago on exactly that (can?t remember if I or dittany started it, so it isn?t a new phenomenon) and numerous examples were cited, as well as reason why the FWR was particularly susceptible to trolling. It didn?t seem to concentrate HQ?s mind at all. Like lots of posters, I don?t have too much time to post and read (usually) so it?s really crap to have wade through crap first. Batting ?innocent eyelids? ? well let them. Just damn well suspend them or ban them. No benefit of doubt given. It?s your site and if they don?t like it they can sod off somewhere else. < simplistic idea for future blue-print?..Smile>

Radfem section ? no-one asked for it, least of all radfems iirc. Tbh it did look like a bit of a passive/aggressive response, at the time. Why on earth did anyone at HQ think it was a gud idea? That did not need the benefit of hindsight.
Obviously being a ?moderator? on MN is a picnic of a job.Hmm

And I am sorry about the footie result. Not really.

AnyFucker · 23/09/2012 17:37

Hello, Pan. Had a nice break ? What's it like out there ?

Hullygully · 23/09/2012 17:39
scottishmummy · 23/09/2012 17:41

what a lot of deletions was there a spat
anyhoo, who said,she said aside
it's pretty much carry on as usual. good

AnyFucker · 23/09/2012 17:47

now, now, Hully we are movin' on Smile

Hullygully · 23/09/2012 17:50

yes yes