Where did all the Feminists go?

[Portofino]

MN seems to have had a reorganisation of FWR when I was on holiday and me no-likey. Why do we now have a Rad fem section and Feminist light chat. So many of the dynamic, knowledgable and interesting posters have disappeared. I have to say that some of the more radical stuff posted really made me think about my views and re-align them. There doesn't seem to be much of that anymore. I am disappointed to be honest.

Beachcomber, I have nothing to say to you on this matter. I'm disgusted.

see this kind of thread is pretty much why i don't really post anymore. before anyone points it out, yes i know that this is totally no great loss to anyone and probably for the best

i have thought often of starting threads or joining in but i just can't face all the aggro.

still i guess at least now others feel hapier posting so that's something anyway

-demonstrates why-

I think it's a loss and I miss your posts, chibi, though I don't know if that means much coming from me.

chibi - cheer up, Revenge just gets better and better (am nearly at the end of series 1)

I do think it is for the best. There are plenty of interesting things going on here and a lot less of an MRA presence now, which is great for newer posters - they can talk in a more relaxed atmosphere.

I am absolutely baffled by all this FB stuff, but would love to see some hardcore discussion on the Feminist Theory board, without (as PubeGardens said upthread) posters taking personal offence/derailing, etc. Will see if any thread ideas occur to me...

Look.

Most people aren't interested in the mad bitter agenda of the few still obsessed with all the she said she said bollox in the past and just want to get on and discuss.

No one will ever agree on who did what to who why and when, it all got so mad I doubt there is a coherent narrative. And it was the reason it all went to shit in the first place.

Things are calmer, more pleasant and productive now so

Why don't we just move on?

thanks that is kind. i am probably happier wondering about burgundy skinny jeans and whether i can wear a leather biker jacket in a dignified way. i know my ideas about feminism are pointless and unwelcome pretty much anywhere, so i don't bother much anymore. i try to not engage with anything i find hateful, either people or cultural products or whatever, anymore. it is quite liberating.

d it is tremendous

she has two count them two revenge senseis

I don't want theory to be confined to a theory section, and I'm glad in that respect that it's little used. It makes one more place to have to remember to click on. I'm glad that theory seems to have mostly found its way into chat - hardly surprising, since people like to chat about theory. You can't really say "this way for the anecdotes, that way for the theory." They're both important, and it all makes for good conversation.

There is a good argument for having the activism - events etc. - in a separate section to make them more visible. But I'd put the books in the main section, too.

Hully, I've been fervently nodding along to your posts and LRD's so far ... but you've just let me know there's a further series of Revenge! I can't possibly wait nine months (or however long it takes to reach 4OD) for a denouement.

Cheers for that. You've ruined my week. I may have to haunt you throughout the forum, casting dark aspersions with frequent use of the words "disgusted", "shocked" and "disingenuous". And flounce a lot.

We could, however, have a separate section for muckraking.

soz that should have read hully i have seen all of revenge and it is tremendous etcnsoz

ooo yes

I LOVE the idea of a muckraking section

for al lthe old feuds.

Yeah, ok, I'm all for moving on . Maybe not best to take over the past. I'll wait for the movie

And can I just say, before I head off to indulge in that tiresome ritual of RL and socialising with the 3D humanoids, that I really enjoy posting on FWR, it has lately become more welcoming, but I've always found it a great source of support and knowledge and just knowing that you're all there thinking roughly the same things as me is very comforting.

Aw, sorry if that was a bit soppy and vomit inducing but I mean it!!!

Aww, messy :)

Been out for lunch. What the feck is happening? I certainly never started this thread thinking it was going to be a "she said this on FB" thing. I personally have not been involved in any FB feminist in-fighting. And the last thing I wanted to do was to drag all this up.

My reason for starting this thread is that I was disappointed that so many of the posters who inspired me seem to have disappeared. It is not that the current posters are "lacking" in some way or are "lesser" feminists. I stand by my belief that we need ALL the views - even the hardcore ones - in order to make the most of the Topic

i just wanted to say that reading the feminisim boards on mumsnet has had a real impact on my day to day life.

i am stronger in regard to dh, more able to articulate my own needs and now have different expectations of my daughter and my sons.

it is, for me, the most powerful board on mumsnet. i have never really encountered feminists before and didn't view the world in terms of gender.

i don't think anybody has all the answers, but this board certainly knows the questions to ask.

i think every poster on this thread has a valid contribution to make.

There are still some people here who have radical feminist views, like EBAL. There are also marxist feminists here like Mini.

I do think there are a range of views represented.

And ultimately, the views on here are a reflection of who wants to use it, so it is just a matter of chance/luck who has an interest in using MN.

Yes, I agree that it is time to put it behind us.

Perhaps anyone who brings it up could be allowed only to post in the Mud-raker Topic for a week as penance.

Can I ask SGM - when you say 'down with patriarchy and capitalism' - how does that work?

I mean, I'm a realist. How can we do away with capitalism? I quite like being able to earn money and buy stuff.

Actually I left for a long time and am only recently back. And I am not in any fb group where all these fights happened. So I too havent a clue about that.

That's a lovely post basking.

I agree with messy and garlic but to me that is what "men as a class" meant, however, if that isn't clear I'd be open to alternatives

I'm not sure how any of us got through those four days, Eats.