Is feminism all about man hating?

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When feminism is brought up around my DP and my other friends they all say the same thing,

I agree with feminists who want equal rights for men and women, but not feminists who hate men and want women to be treated better than men.

Do these feminists actually exist? I assumed that feminism was all about equal rights etc, I thought all the man hating was a stereotype but wasn't actually true, but, most people I know seem to think this is the idea of the majority and it's the minority of feminists who want equal rights.

Kind of you to say so, AF - and I used to love it here and would miss it, so I'll probably stick around a bit longer. There are some interesting thoughts being thought, some good discussions happening, but my god there are a lot of people gleefully trashing the place and giggling to themselves, aren't there?

I can go to feminist sites for feminism without the angst, y'know? So it makes this place less appealling.

Sorry for self-indulgent derail, OP. Bit of a low, today.

Blackcurrants, I just had a quick read to the last pages (came back after... 7 pages, OMG!!) and I think you shouldn't leave, you really should stick around longer because I guess that.. one poster's opinion isn't everybody.

I've seen many threads, in many boards, locked because of the hot topic discussed in it. I think feminism is one of those topics. Well, let's say that after a while it's easy to stir the pot in such threads.

You shouldn't feel insulted, I tend to believe that nowadays being a online hater is kind of a job. I guess these people have really nothing else to do ;)

Big hug :)

I usually wonder what starts people off on tangents of personal abuse. I really wonder if there are some of us who are susceptible and others not.

Here's a bunch of people talking with made-up names, and most of us will never know any of the others personally. So is that a reason to allow yourself to get worked up over things, or a reason not to?

I hope you stick around, black currants.

People who think feminism is man hating are almost always people who actually hate women and don't believe women are subjected to sexism. It's not worth listening to these stupid people, that have nothing to back up what they are saying and don't understand feminism.

Totally agree (as usual) Krumbum!

Some women hate men. A lot of men hate women. I'm not advocating hate, but it frustrates me when guys get all butt-hurt at the idea of some women hating them. It happens. Get over it. Don't decry a whole movement just because some members are man-haters.

It's fine for men to hate women.

But let one woman even so much as suggest that she might just on occasion think that men might just not all be paragons of all earthly virtues and the whole edifice of feminism is shown to be a sham.

Bizarre.

People who think feminism is man hating are almost always people who actually hate women and don't believe women are subjected to sexism

I don't think it's helpful to deny that some Feminists hate men, nor to argue that those whp point it out are all woman haters. It is very visible to other Feminists and neutrals as well, and denial just looks naive and reduces credibility.

Some women hate men. A lot of men hate women

I'd also suspect that the ratios are quite similar, and relatively small. As a species we wouldn't have survived the way we have if the vast majority of the sexes rather liked each other.

I've known a lot of women and a lot of feminists over the course of a long life and I think I have met one who genuinely hated men. I have met a lot of men who, if they don't hate women, certainly dispise and disregard them.

I don't know any Feminists who hate men. I know a small number of women who identify as non-Feminists who hate them though.

I did have a small laugh at the idea that just because men keep impregnating women and extending the human race, it must mean that they don't hate, devalue or objectify them.

I've never met a feminist who hates all men. Can you give some examples? Believing in patriarchy is not hating all men. Often radical theories are called man hating when they are.

*are NOT. Lol

I really don't believe many feminists hate men. I really do believe that most are motivated by an idealism that is admirable. I agree with whatmeworry though that it is probably unhelpful to say that no feminists hate men. I have seen posting on here where advice to women with quite normal marriage problems appears to be based on man hatred and the motivation seems to be to drive a wedge between the couple. I'm not going to give examples because the poster is not here to defend herself. I believe that this kind of radical feminism is not only alienating to women, which I wouldn't expect feminists to be bothered about, but also alienating to most women.

Yes. Because it's all about the menz. Always.

Even if you can't talk about specific cases, could you say the sort of thing that would indicate to you that somebody hated men?

Yes. Because it's all about the menz. Always.

What does that even mean in relation to what I posted? It's just a stock radical feminist reply which doesn't address anything I said.

soz, inde, it wasn't a reply to you, was a sarky reply to the op...

Sorry Hullygully. I made the assumption that because your post was after mine you were replying to me.

Examples of man hating feminists please?

Or are they just a figment of the Daily Mail's fevered imagination?

In response to seeker's request;

radicalhub.com/2011/10/04/radical-feminism-in-the-21st-century/#comment-3558

One of the comments below the main article is 'as vliet suggested, i think a biological solution would be a radical solution. such as dispatching male babies at birth.'

I think this sort of stuff is typical of the extreme end of any political movement, not just feminism. It would never happen, and the vast majority of people would not want it to happen. But there is no denying that these sort of views are out there, even though they are a tiny minority.

Right. You've found a woman who appears to hate men. In a comment on a blog. Does this have any relevance to the debate?

I had a feeling you might get arsey over this, seeker. I was in two minds whether to put it up here. You asked a question, I gave an answer. I don't think that this is representative of anything other than a tiny minority of feminists. I said so earlier. But, there it is.

The main blog itself concludes with suggesting that men's 'illness' can be cured by altering their androgens, i.e. genetic manipulation. I'd say that was pretty extreme in itself.

The debate was centred around 'do man-hating feminists exist?' You asked for 'examples of man-hating feminists'. I responded to show some, in a feminist blog on a feminist website. What is the problem?

"arsey"?

All i'm saying is that the accusation of bing "man hating" is a very prevalent one. It's used all the time on here, apart from anywhere else, and saying that yes it's true, there are man hating feminists because you've found some bonkers blog is a hit like saying that men hate women and using Peter Sutcliffe as an example!

I think that's fair enough.

You did ask, Seeker...

And of course man-haters exist, so do cat-haters, wardrobe-haters - show me an anything and there'll be some haterz No point denying the troof.