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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Would you be upset if your OH went on a website showing pictures of women's breasts?

85 replies

enimmead · 18/06/2012 22:07

And then linked it on an internet forum so everyone else can admire them?

Because (and I know it's bad form to link to other MN threads) there is a thread elsewhere on this site linking to men's penises and everyone is rating them.

Difference if men did it? Or am I just being prudish?

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AuntLucyInPeru · 19/06/2012 07:11

Aside from the general bunfight going on with the chairman, I do agree that saunas are great for giving perspective to body image. I used to sauna in my gym in Sweden a couple of times a week, where nudity in saunas is the rule, and I felt waaay better about my body after that (and still do). Real bodies come in all shapes and reinforcing that in a non-ridiculing way can only be a good thing (not that that site, btw, actually achieves that, but you get the gist..)

molly3478 · 19/06/2012 07:23

Wouldnt care at all.Also Im female of course Im very attracted to penises just like them much more erect and some of those are not nice to look at on that gallery

molly3478 · 19/06/2012 07:29

Also having read this chairman what on earth are you on about? Confused

molly3478 · 19/06/2012 07:30

sorry i mean your posts on pg 1

thechairmanmeow · 19/06/2012 07:33

in regards to what exactly molly?

molly3478 · 19/06/2012 07:40

women arent affecyed by penises in same way.Of course they are but it obviously depends on how nice the penis is.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 19/06/2012 07:50

Enim - In terms of are you being prudish? I hate the word prude. It is a judging word used mainly against women. If you feel uncomfortable or unhappy with something, thats fine. Others may think your opinion is wrong or right, but it never makes you a prude.

Personally - I am not keen on reducing anyone to body parts like this. It is disrespectful at a basic level. But because of the power imbalance in our society I think there is a difference between judging men and women's body parts.

Bluegrass · 19/06/2012 07:57

It often seems that in most threads about bodies the general trend seems to be that penises look ridiculous and women's bodies are "objectively" more attractive. It would be interesting to know to what extent that is a learned response. How much of the ridicule response stems from discomfort or embarrassment? How much is learned from the different ways that media portray men's and women's bodies? How do reactions to nudity (both women's and men's) vary from culture to culture (not just the public display of the socially correct response, but perhaps genuine feelings if those are different). Interesting stuff to think about (just as I head off to work)!.

MsAnnTeak · 19/06/2012 13:21

Chairman, promiscious females are often labelled sluts, tarts, whores. Hardly something most parents would be proud of. Males sleep with numerous females and it's just him 'sowing his wild oats', accepted as part of masculinity.

Obviously in the days before contraception and proof of paternity, a male would want to ensure his children were actually his own. The parents of the female would not want the burden of looking after another child without the resources of the male who impregnated their daughter. No doubts this went some way to supressing the activities of females.

Bluegrass, I've read studies on tribes where children openly fondle each other and is a normal part of their childhood. Adults do nothing to intervene and there was no mention of incest or child sexual abuse. We'd more than likely be horrified to find children behaving in such a manner. This is just one I remember from the top of my head but lots of other interesting reading out there. From this you could conclude it is conditioning which is the determining factor.

thechairmanmeow · 19/06/2012 13:34

well, molly you clearly like to look at penises and your a woman so i'm not going to argue with you.
what makes one penis nice and one not? does circumcision help? i'm just curious, not taking the piss.

ann yes i see what you mean now, it is unfair how differently girls are treated in this regard.

yellowraincoat · 19/06/2012 14:28

I can't believe people are still bandying about the old "men are aroused by women's bodies, but women just want to laugh at penises".

Sigh and huff.

chairmanmeow what makes one penis nice and one not? What makes one pair of breasts nice and one not? Or a painting? Or a sofa? It's totally subjective.

yellowraincoat · 19/06/2012 14:30

Oh and the thing about Victorians and chair legs is not true. Just as an aside.

thechairmanmeow · 19/06/2012 14:38

ohh 'that old chestnut again' was it yellow, i should have known.

molly3478 · 19/06/2012 15:40

No I dont like circumsicion in the slightest I dont agree with it and it doesnt look as nice.I like them big as well but at least Im honest! Grin

yellowraincoat · 19/06/2012 15:51

I have no idea what your last comment means, thechairmanmeow could you explain?

TeiTetua · 19/06/2012 17:18

I agree with EatsBrainsAndLeaves that "I am not keen on reducing anyone to body parts like this. It is disrespectful at a basic level."

I'm not so sure about whether it's much different if they're male or female body parts. When there's no artistry involved in the depiction, can we say the link with pornography has been broken? Perhaps there's an educational or therapeutic value in seeing a whole lot of varying breasts/vulvas/penises if you're neurotic about your own (as in that other thread about "Body ownership"). But in general I think we ought to deal with whole people and accept that their bodies do vary, and in fact it can be a lot of fun to see that variety, as one might in a sauna. It would be nice if we could replace judgements about beauty/ugliness with just an acceptance that we all have bodies, and life's more interesting because they're all different. Where's that contributor here who goes to nude beaches?

thechairmanmeow · 19/06/2012 17:26

i've been known to go to nude beaches, but i wouldnt class myself as a 'nudist' it's just not a big deal for me to get my kit off.

yellow, your post was trying to silence my POV with the 'oh not that old chestnut' taktic, thats what i was responding to.

molly, yes i agree with you about circumcision, i'm dead agaist it too, wether for asthetics or religeon....and you like ém big eh?

yellowraincoat · 19/06/2012 17:31

I'm sorry if you felt silenced, thechairmanmeow as I'm sure you're aware, it gets really dull being told what you think by men.

thechairmanmeow · 19/06/2012 17:39

from 13:34, well, molly you clearly like to look at penises and your a woman so i'm not going to argue with you.

did you bother to read this yellow and if you did, exactly which part of it did you not understand.

if i was a women making these observations and generalisations would you still have the adversarial tone with me?

yellowraincoat · 19/06/2012 17:41

No, I probably wouldn't actually. But that's probably because I'm sick of being told what I think by men.

You said earlier on that men and women react different to penises/breasts. You conceded that ONE poster had a different reaction. And now you're being creepy and saying "you like em big, eh?"

Sorry if I can't take you seriously as a pro-feminist.

thechairmanmeow · 19/06/2012 17:45

and you cant take a joke!

yellowraincoat · 19/06/2012 17:46

Oh har har har, feminists are so humourless.

Any other tropes you want to wheel out tonight?

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 19/06/2012 17:51

Yellow - And this is why some threads on here see feminists - real feminists - getting fed up and being saracstic and angry.

yellowraincoat · 19/06/2012 17:53

What do you mean by "real feminists" ?

I have been posting here a while, Eats. I do know how it goes.

I think there's a big bloody difference between being rude to someone genuinely asking questions and being rude to someone who is telling women what they feel.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 19/06/2012 17:57

Yellow - I wasn't having a pop at you. I meant people here who say they are feminists and then post anti feminist stuff. I was trying to support your post, so I am sorry if it didn't come across as that