Radical feminism and PIV

[EatsBrainsAndLeaves]

Hi just wanted to ask radical feminists and their allies their views of piv sex, I have no one I can ask in RL about this.

I can understand why PIV sex is inherently unsafe and that viewing PIV sex as the goal of sex is misogynous. But I really can't fathom the view that PIV sex is inherently abusive. Can anyone explain it very very basically? And do all radical feminists think PIV sex is inherently abusive?

Thanks

Those comments are from the blog I linked to earlier.

radicalhub.com/2011/10/04/radical-feminism-in-the-21st-century/#comment-3558

Yes yes yes Seahorses

This is like one of those "AIBU to think that these NetMums comments are outrageous?" threads.

Great post, though, Seahouses. Tip top thinking skillz.

How can you joke about this? If it was in relation to female foetuses, I don't think there would be any joking going on...

Was just about to link but I've noticed that Oncemoreintothe has..

No, Eclectic, they wouldn't find it remotely funny.

I haven't been here for a while but have suddenly got the urge to join in with MNfeminists for a bit - if ok.

On the OP's original point, I don't label myself a 'radical feminist' to the exclusion of other 'types' of feminism. I have found lots of elements of radical feminism helpeful to me although I amdit that my reading is lacking. To add my bit though, no I don't think that PIV is inherently abusive. Context is all - I think.

That link is mindboggling. Impossible to tell whether it's parody or someone unhinged being serious.

Agre with notenough. It's all about context... Feeding someone can be nurturing, lifesaving or abusive. To day all sex is abusive is ridiculous and I don even understand why you are researching this theory...

"Some say an earth with only 10% men will be a safe earth free of oppression. We need more of these visions."

Taken from the article linked. Crazy crazy stuff. Why is any of this stud interesting? It's like a cult, it's completely is hateful.

I can't believe anyone in their right mind who isn't vulnerable reads this rubbish.

where has anyone said all sex is abusive?

See the theory being discussed in the OP.

it's just about penis in vagina sex though?

Please explain... Yes it is about that and the theory that it is inherently abusive, are we not reading the same post?

you said 'all sex', but the op only refers to penis in vagina sex - one sort of sex

Ok, so is piv abusive?

Anyone looking to find out if all PIV sex is abusive needs some serious counselling IMO.

I don't think the OP is trying to find out if it is always abusive. I think she is trying to find out why somebody else would think that.

is it just contextualising sexual acts you have this hang up about or any sort of critical thinking and questioning?

Fair enough but to me it's like asking why do people think ok to tape someone. It's an extreme view that really its nt worth understanding from a philisophical standpoint. Maybe from a psychological one but what it has to do with feminism I really can't fathom.

Don't have any hang up about critical thinking. I have a hang up about people looking to support and rationalise extremist views which are harmful.

Does common sense not come into it anywhere and all the positive things about piv?

Rape not tape...

Whatever theory you are looking to research, you will find mountains of literature on it. Any debate can be debated either way. What you have to hold true are the common rules of humanity.