Really? we think that "that organisation" are representative of fathers in general? really?

[NormaStanleyFletcher]

"They are already telling us that F4J (and by association every dad in the land) are bullying and intimidating them in this latest campaign, a stance that completely ignores the decades of intimidation that has been suffered by fathers at the hands of women?s organistions and which attempts to control the space around the campaign..."

Do they think we are as mad and misguided as them?

Intimidation by women's organisations?

From http://karenwoodall.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/on-the-tyranny-of-the-weak-a-mothers-day-musing/

Who is this handmaden person?

wow, a deletion for my opinion on a group and for reporting contents on a website! just wow!

Sophie I got deleted for less. I had said if I said x about. Maybe there is some pressure behind the scenes...

I don't accept that 50/50 means chidlren's needs are not respected. There have been far too much sexist assumptions over th eyear by male judges that women mind children and men work which is about 50 years out of date adn that every other week to see your chidlren is somehow suitable just because you're male. It's not suitable. It's an appalling injustice which many feminist women want to have righted. Most fathers are good and most can have their children half the time and many children want that time with their other parent.

It is not to treat a child like a DVD to suggest it spends equal amounts of time with each parent. It is what all feminists and people who believe in equality should want. It is also often very much better for children. To that extent I expect vast numbers of mumsnetters supports F4J in their work. However I also support the other cause - that absent men shoudl be held up to public opprobrium for wanting to play at being a parent and not full their weight, whether that weight be washing sheets covered ni sick or helping with homework night after night or up in the night with sick children and cleaning up after them.

I don't nkow what has been deleted of other posts above (and I don't reallly like any deletions even when people are critcial of me but anyone who runs a site can decide what to delete at their discretion)

only if posts are reported!

Yes agreed there must be stuff going on behind the scenes as this seems a concentrated cause for deletions.

i had a post deleted though i haven't a clue what for. i reported it and asked for an explanation. will check my emails.

I want you to know I Xenia, I have no clue who you are in rl, not read all thread, and made no personal attack against you.

they've replied saying that it didn't break any talk guidelines and has therefore been reinstated so why was it deleted then? bit trigger happy.

I can't be bothered personally to go chasing my deletion, I am leaving this thread over the nonsence, no doubt this post will be deleted too!

In general I think people need thicker skins. Lots of people who moan about posts should not be pandered to but sent for therapy or learn to toughen up. Freedom of speech is much more important than people';s hurt feelings. I want to defend the right of people with whose views I don't agree (even housewives, heaven forfend) to spout whatever they choose. However I accept that a website can decide what is not in its interests to have posted upon it.

Yes whoever keeps reporting posts does! flouncing off to better things!

What's best for the children is not about equality for the parents. Sometimes what's best for the child is horribly unfair on one or other of the parents.

What's best for my child is me being sole carer. Horribly unfair on me and from a selfish POV yes I'd bloody love my XP to be made to take responsibility for 50% of all of this or even 80% so I could swan off and do all the things I'd love to do but can't because I'm a lone parent. But I don't want my DC to be casualties of a war in the name of equality between adults.

The way to manage this is to have the courts continue to issue residency arrangements that reflect the status quo before the split but put a lot more pressure on men and women to share parenting equally before then so that reflecting the status quo does actually mean awarding 50/50.

swallowedafly - I reported your post because it reads to me that I somehow endorse domestic violence.

'but what is that point of view? that the big bad feminists have given you swollen ankles because men can't be expected to give up their seat for a pregnant woman if they don't get to beat their wife of a friday night?'

Wot Sunshine said

And at SF repeating a post s/he'd just got deleted

Eh?

It was reinstated.

they reinstated it anyway basil as when looked at it was clear it didn't break any talk guidelines.

It was offensive to me. Clearly different rules for you eh?

eh?

think just the one set of rules as in the talk guidelines - which mnhq have confirmed weren't broken.

there's plenty of stuff on here i find offensive - doesn't mean it should be deleted.

Posts don't get deleted because someone finds them offensive. They get deleted if they break talk guidelines

If MNHQ ran a new policy of deleting everything anyone took offense to, there would be nothing left to read.

you suggested I endorse DV!!!

''living off male earnings post divorce'', do you really think £40 a week is enough to 'live off? That's the average amount of child support paid, in case you didn't know.

Also, by the time a child is in school, there are more single mums in work than there are married mums. I'm not really keen on the way you're spouting all this anti-single mum rhetoric tbh. Single mums do a fab job, and they deserve respect support, not to be the target of malicious and untrue statements.

''women mind children and men work which is about 50 years out of date''

heh, tell that to men then, women still do the vast bulk of childcare and housework. If anyone is going to give up work or shift to part-time hours following the birth of a child, it's going to be the mother. It doesn't seem to me that men as a whole even consider sacrificing their careers to stay home and bring up children.

''The way to manage this is to have the courts continue to issue residency arrangements that reflect the status quo before the split but put a lot more pressure on men and women to share parenting equally before then so that reflecting the status quo does actually mean awarding 50/50.''

Yes exactly. Equal parenting begins at the birth of a child, not a few weeks after the breakdown of a relationship when you realise how much money you'll be forking out in child support.

Xenia - I would expect most MNers to support children and not abusive, violent men who threaten to shoot people who disagree with them.

As I've said before, it's perfectly possible to have a lovely, amiable, fully-functioning co-parent relationship with your DC's other parent without needing to involve the courts. All that's required is for neither of you to be an arsehole.

As someone who grew up being shifted between two flats on a one week here, one week there basis (from eleven until thirteen, at which point my father decided buggering off to the other side of the world with his girlfriend for a year was a reasonable concept , didn't see my mum behaving like that). It was not a good thing and has probably contributed in a small way to my mental health issues that I am still dealing with.
I, for one, think, in the case of parents splitting up and divorcing,the most important people to consider are the children and what is best for them.