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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Miss goes missing on French official forms" - let's do the same here!

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Alittlefeminist · 22/02/2012 17:09

Hurray for French feminists who have pushed through a revision of women's titles: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/22/mademoiselle-removed-from-french-official-forms :)

Let's do the same!

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jshm2 · 28/02/2012 16:25

Bah, typical surrender monkeys they would rather give in than fight for proper use of titles.

RhinosDontEatPancakes · 28/02/2012 16:26

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Maryz · 28/02/2012 16:27

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ShirleyO · 28/02/2012 16:28

Actually Maryz, I also think you're wqrong. Full Stop. Grin

I really do in all seriousness - but this hackneyed argument of the "feminists" shutting down arguments is just a load of old shit. The "feminists" are stating their views, just as you are - so. why the complaints?

BlingLoving · 28/02/2012 16:29

Actually, at the time racism was legal in south Africa. Hence lots of people defending their "choices".

Announce you are married to everyone you like. But please can you at least acknowledge that it's strange that men don't have that option? And certainly arent fighting for it. Or if you can't acknowledge that, can you at least see that the "tradition" for men and women is completely different? Whether you agree with the difference or not.

RhinosDontEatPancakes · 28/02/2012 16:29

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ShirleyO · 28/02/2012 16:29

"But Miss/Mrs/Ms isnt just about marital status."

Of course it is. HAHA! As a "Ms" I have been ASKED why I use that title - how rude!

Maryz · 28/02/2012 16:29

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ShirleyO · 28/02/2012 16:30

Spurious argument - "Master" is arcane and rarely used. My 14 year old son is referred to as Mr, never Master.

MissWooWoo · 28/02/2012 16:31

MissWooWoo -- they are taking the piss out of the married woman's traditional title for political reasons

you know them mathanxiety how fabulous for us to have mutual friends Hmm

Maryz · 28/02/2012 16:31

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BlingLoving · 28/02/2012 16:31

Maryz: the fact that you and dh have the same choice regarding whether or not to wear a wedding ring means I couldn't care less which choice you make because at least I know it's not a choice only you have to make to declare your marital status.
For me, I would not wear a wedding ring if dh didn't. But that's just me.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 28/02/2012 16:31

I'd be very happy for there not to be a male/female prefix, yes.

And I use dr because it is relevant to my work. And yes, also as an up yours to people who ring up and call me mrs on no evidence at all.

Miss and mrs are about marital status, of course they are! It's what they mean!

RhinosDontEatPancakes · 28/02/2012 16:32

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Maryz · 28/02/2012 16:33

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Maryz · 28/02/2012 16:34

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bemybebe · 28/02/2012 16:34

Maryz Grin

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mathanxiety · 28/02/2012 16:35

Original - can you not see the irony in that you are arguing about names/status and then ask to be called 'Dr'

I don't see the irony here either.

Do you not see that a professional title that denotes years of hard work and qualification to work in a particular field (and in fact pretending to be a doctor and working in this field is a crime) is not a matter of 'status'? Whereas marital status or presumed sexual availability is what the Miss/Mrs thing is all about?

When I was much younger my mother explained an archaic scheme that used to operate when she was young. The oldest daughter was Miss Surname, whereas younger sisters were Miss Penelope, Miss Matilda, Miss Lucretia, etc., no matter how many of them there were. I had a great time sticking my younger sisters' noses in that one until one of them beaned me with a dictionary. Same for the oldest boy -- Master Surname, followed by Master Tarquin, Master Peregrine, Master Rupert, etc.

In the American South, older women are called Miss [Firstname]. And it annoys the pants off me that the custom in the DCs' primary school seems to be to call all the female teachers 'Miss' no matter what they prefer to be called themselves.

vesuvia · 28/02/2012 16:35

RhinosDontEatPancakes wrote - "Marriage and motherhood are huge parts of MY life, they're part of who i am and what i am.. why should 'feminism' have the right to take that away from me?"

You give the impression that the institutions of marriage and motherhood are so fragile that they will be completely shattered simply by using the title Ms instead of Mrs.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 28/02/2012 16:36

Thank you, math.

About wedding rings and other jewellery, I don't really care! But just because there is an institution of marriage and some people like it, I dont see why everyone else has to be defined in relation to it.

ShirleyO · 28/02/2012 16:36

Wha? I'm not telling you that you can't use "Mrs" - I'm saying that it shouldn't be an issue on official forms - I don't think there should be a Mr, Mrs,Miss,Ms box. It's not relevant.

You'd be surprised how many people DO object to the title Ms, Mary - believe me.

bemybebe · 28/02/2012 16:36

The only sane suggestion here (the one I do not agree with but the one I do accept as valid) is to go away from gender titles altogether and leave only achievement/professional ones.

But I will still be MrsDH.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 28/02/2012 16:37

Miss means not married and mrs means married. That is what they mean. Whether some people use them differently doesn't change their actual meaning.

RhinosDontEatPancakes · 28/02/2012 16:37

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