non working mothers

[lorcana]

are non working mothers betraying their sex ?

lol, at the idea of any non working mother.

very rude op. akin to asking if wohm are betraying their children.

0/10 op

Wags,media hanger ons,Kerry katona they are all non working mums
Not all mums work self to the bone
Being mum doesn't confer some social status.it just means you've popped a sprog

No such thing as a non-working mother.

Every mother works. Bringing up children is work. Just because men don't do the day to day work of it, it's been deemed not to be work. That way, they can get it done for free by someone else, while they're free to pursue their leisure and employment interests.

Women who deny women's work, are betraying their sex IMO. HTH OP.

Rubbish not all mums work or graft
Youre in goddess territory now
Simply being mum doesn't automatically make one hard working or imbued with mumsy understanding

Before I hide thread, have to respond to the stuff about WAGS being non-working mothers.

Firstly they did actually carry and bear their children - that's work. That's why it's called labour.

Secondly, they do less work than other mothers, I broadly agree.

However, they still do more work than their husbands.

No-one's going to convince me that Wayne Rooney, John Terry and the rest of those skanky shaggers, work for a living. They work their bodies (so do their WAGs) and then they kick a ball around for 90 minutes. If you're going to claim their WAGs don't work (and I broadly agree with that) then let's look at what they do whcih is called work and which is so handsomely rewarded, unlike their WAGs. I think waxing, working out and putting lipstick on in the correct manner, must be at least as taxing as push ups, kicking a ball and penetrating prostituted women for a living.

Being free to work to maintain an unwaged adult,it is hardly cushy is it
To have sole financial responsibility is a pretty honorable and decent thing.the act of providing a security and broadband for the housewife too

Do you also feel this way about people who are independently wealthy, live off a large tract of land that they pay other people to manage, and so on?

Lots of people don't "work" - are they all betraying their sex? So men who don't work due to extreme wealth in the family - are they betraying the male sex?

Or do you reserve this for women who have children?

I work all day and night as a SAHM. Would rather sit around on my arse.
And of course im 'economically active'. I spend the money dh earns on food/bills/etc.
Plus, as a Carer, I save the 'taxpayer' £3000 a week by Caring for my brain damaged relative instead of parking her in an institution. Which would be a lot easier.

What about business people of the male persuasion who take early retirement - are they betraying all men?

Would be interested to hear your views on this

You're labouring some wimmin are goddesses they gave birth notion
It's a physiological act, not a heightened state of being
Childbirth doesnt automatically confer wisdom or mean hard work

Exactly Basil. The vast majority of mothers work. Often it is unpaid for at least some part if not all. The unpaid labour of carers should be included in economic output IMO, because without it society could not function.

It is extremely idiotic simplistic to assume pay = worth. Of course it doesn't. Have a look at Maslow, Herzberg and their ilk about what people need. You could even look at psychological contract theory.

There. I would be delighted to be quoted on that

Gotcha SM, sorry re read and realised you were responding to an earlier post.

I don't base my RL friendships on whether someone agrees with me that would be dull, and odd. And the idea of thinking you are friends with a random view on the internet because you've agreed on the odd point is laughable, but does seem to happen.

Same as if you disagree with a point a poster has made and then others get cross if you agree with a different point they make later. It's a debate not a vendetta spawning ground.

I suspect that if you question your own and others value a lot, you may not have any. I've been a SAHP and a WOHP, the debate will always rage on, and choices will always be individual as all situations are unique.

Lol Are you still. Supposing a journalist is lurking

Gosh - what a very silly thread.

Not working is easier perhaps as an option - women 'hiding' in the home and not challenging men on their most hallowed turf - work.

Justine, Carrie, cooeeeee you failures. Instead of hiding in the home make this crappy unsuccessful forum that Lorcanas posting on, you could have been working for her and been properly driven.

It's not men who need challenging, it's peoples perceptions.

There was me thinking I engaged in paid employment to earn some cash, when all the time I was actually challenging men on their hallowed turf

Didn't you know Labradorlover?

Am I betraying my sex? Probably.

But I have a great life so I don't care. Bollocks to my sex.

Boo!

I'm not hiding

The MN people ARE working - it does not matter where from. Work and parenthood are distnctive roles - I suppose I am interested in what prevents adults from engaging in both. Fear ? Laziness ? Belief that only mother can care for children rather than nanny/nursey/ childminder ? Why the aggressive defence too ?

Why do you assume that nursery/nanny/cm would be better than a parent lorcana?

The trouble is that the questions you ask just exhibit such a breathtaking lack of imagination.

Am I scared of working outside of the home as well as dealing with my role within it? No. It is that life is complicated and our choices are made because of our unique circumstances.
Why is that hard to comprehend without reaching for stupid sweeping generalisations?

I think you are also mistaking exasperated for aggressive.