Happy Patriarchymas!

[thunderboltsandlightning]

I know, I know - but this is the feminist section and christmas is about celebrating the birth of the son of god, with women's spirituality and power completely written out of the story. It's the classic patriarchal mindfuck for women. Even Santa's a man, but who does most of the present-buying and wrapping?

Then there's the fact that christmas is all about women doing most of the work, with men enjoying the benefits.

Each year I find it a little more difficult to have to go through it all. Once you've seen what it's about, it gets harder to ignore the brainwashing.

Hope everybody has a happy peaceful time, whatever you are celebrating.

Stewie - what's Captain America? I know I could Google but I'd rather you told me.

My children are very much on a diet of pro-female films. Inkheart being my current favourite.

I have a son and the way I see it, his happiness lies in treating others with respect. Especially, any females he gets into a relationship with. So, no entitled Little Lord Fonteroy for my boy. The happiest men I have ever met are the ones who treat others well.

I pity the men who come on here to try to unsettle us.

"The happiest men I have ever met are the ones who treat others well."

How true! And a lovely sentiment too.

That sounds good Stewie. My dh and dd will love it.

I have access to a badge making machine by the way.

Handdivedscallopesrgreat - an observation I have made repeatedly for years. Think of the happiest men you have ever met. Yes?

Now, my raison d'etre is not to make men happy. However, if we can kill two birds with one stone ...

Oh, wow! Congratulations Bloody!

I am not going to say the titular greeting, but happy feministas!

thunder, thanks for starting this thread and thinking of all the women who don't feel like they have a choice about this stuff.

It's all very well for people to come onto this thread moaning that everyone can 'choose' whether or not to be oppressed, but unfortunately it's also total bollocks. The police get called by more women who've been subjected to domestic violence at this time of the year than any other. Not a happy Christmas message, but it kind of puts it in perspective for me.

FWIW, we've had a very gentle and peaceful day and so far DH has done everything except I've just made him some honey and lemon and I made some almond biscuits last night. But we don't go in for the whole traditional roast, we just have a quiet day with lots of carols and candles and the traditional nosy-parker walk around north Oxford to look at the poncey wreaths (and say happy Christmas to everyone else out for a walk ... we're not just nosy, honest).

I hope everyone else is having a good time and I'm glad I saw this thread.

Onwards and upwards with feminism in 2012!

Happy whatevers to everyone - we are having a v quiet day, and dh always does half the cooking for christmas, so I don't get too stressed.

Congrats Bluddy

"Threads like this are everything I hate about feminism."

Good.

Anyway it's not about you. There are a lot of people on this thread who know exactly what I'm getting at, and I started this thread for a discussion with them. Feminism is the place where we can have these discussions whether you approve or not.

PS: Congratulations Bluddy.

Totally agree thunder.

And congrats bluddy!

Congratulations, Bluddy!

If you don't like Christmas its fine don't celebrate it, i can't say i'm mad about Christmas either.
If you want to be miserable, again it is fine.
But please don't use Feminism to dress it up.

Very silly title and silly thread. It is a shame really because threads like this and another one i've just seen manage to push away readers who would otherwise visit the section. There are sometimes interesting discussions here but i personally feel put off because of crapolla like this one and i imagine other readers feel the same. So, no, you don't serve Feminism quite the opposite imo.

LOL at all the posters getting irate because they've missed the point of the thread. And saying that this is the sort of thing that puts them off feminism - as if they'd all be feverishly working to overthrow the patiriarchy if only all these annoying threads on Mumsnet weren't constantly putting them off.

It's not about being miserable, it's about dumping the wifework to stop being miserable and to be able to enjoy it.

I've had a lovely day. Forgot to put the crackers out and forgot to cook the turkey, but hey, it made very little difference to the eventual meal (masses of gammon instead) and I didn't feel responsible for anyone else's reaction to that. Fab. No patriarchal bollocks round here and a very Happy Christmas had by me and the kids at any rate - not sure about those fonder of turkey than us.

Well said Elfenor!

And keeping the happy note going, congratulations BloodyMoFo! That's lovely news.

Ffs not 'put off Feminism', but 'put off the Feminism section'.