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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC Sports Personality of the Year

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AlwaysWild · 29/11/2011 18:52

As you might already be aware, the BBC Sports Personality of the Year has no women in the shortlist.

What you might not know, is the breakdown of which media nominated who and that Nuts and Zoo were part of the process link here

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LineRunnerSaturnalia · 29/11/2011 19:01

The whole thing has become a big bloody embarrassment.

I was going to vote for the Manx lad Mark Cavendish but now I think I'm not going to bother and will just ignore the whole thing.

EdithWeston · 29/11/2011 19:11

I've already posted on a couple of other threads about this today. All last year's winners were male. For the main prize, in the last 55 years, 13 winners were female.

The method for selecting the short list changed in 2002, and it is done by a panel of sports journalists and editors.

The bias in these awards is probably less than the bias in total sports coverage - the estimate I read earlier is that women's sports account for only 2% of output.

aubergineinautumn · 29/11/2011 19:34

So basically the whole thing is a bunch of 'old boys' sitting around patting themselves on the backs and congratulating themselves for having penises? Who decided who these chosen editors were? This kind of thing is a good example of why we need quotas on boards/ panels etc. they don't decide on who's best but who they most identify with.

maybenow · 29/11/2011 19:35

yup. totally disgusting that nuts and zoo are listed... simply by virtue of being 'men's magazines

EdithWeston · 29/11/2011 19:50

Yes, including Nuts and Zoo just doesn't seem right (I could just about see the point of say Men's Health, as at least it's somewhat sporty).

And why is The Voice on the list? But at least it was one of the only two publications that managed three females on their list. Several of the broadsheets and The Sun managed two.

LineRunnerSaturnalia · 29/11/2011 19:53

I don't understand EdithWeston how those lists were distilled down to a final male-only shortlist. (Thanks for the info btw.)

Do you have insight/analysis? Did the lads' mags have an over-weighted influence?

EdithWeston · 29/11/2011 20:03

No idea! My guess is they added up all the nominees from all the panel publications and those getting the most votes made the short-list.

LineRunnerLovesSianMassey · 29/11/2011 20:04

I've actually started gurning in frustration.

AlwaysWild · 29/11/2011 20:08

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Quodlibet · 30/11/2011 10:11

Fucking ludicrous. And how does this tally with the Olympic-year objective to encourage more young people into sport?

Oh sorry I forgot, only boys play sport.

AlwaysWild · 30/11/2011 10:13

Perhaps they're trying to balance the olympics' 'getting people into sport' agenda with the government's 'get women back in the kitchen' agenda?

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Quodlibet · 30/11/2011 10:22

Ah yes that must be it.

Have we solved the mystery of why the UK has such high female obesity levels?

Kveta · 30/11/2011 10:23

I don't understand the presence of Nuts and Zoo here - why them, and not Heat and Closer (for example)?! does anyone know why?

TobyLeWolef · 30/11/2011 10:50

Nuts and Zoo have sports sections. Heat and Closer don't.

bemybebe · 30/11/2011 10:56

Does Heat and Closer even have sports editors?? I personally think those and their pairs Nuts and Bolts should go where they belong - in the bin...

What a disgrace!!

worldgonecrazy · 30/11/2011 10:59

We have a world championship winning female rowing team - did they even get a mention? Is there anywhere it's possible to see the short lists that were submitted?

AlwaysWild · 30/11/2011 11:00

I posted a link in the OP

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MuddlingThroughItAll · 30/11/2011 11:01

Has anyone linked to this yet?

AlwaysWild · 30/11/2011 11:03

Thanks muddling

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worldgonecrazy · 30/11/2011 11:05

Doh! Thank you - I have to admit to not knowing who most of the people mentioned in the lists are, regardless of whether they are male or female.

MuddlingThroughItAll · 30/11/2011 11:12

I'm equally shocked that there are three golfers, two cricketers and two athletes - not much diversity in the sports. I also agree with worldgonecrazy that the female rowing team have been great this year, and rowing as a sport is completely overlooked.

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normaleggy · 30/11/2011 11:24

So which female would you nominate? Rather than arguing that its unfair to just have males, maybe someone could put forward a female sports person?

AlwaysWild · 30/11/2011 11:28

Have a look at the nominations Norma and you'd find some.

Or have a read of the guardian article also linked to

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normaleggy · 30/11/2011 11:47

But nobody has their own ideas, just jumping on the bandwagon of a subject they know nothing about?

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