The departure of dittany

[Pan]

I only know that she has left, and in her post she didn't say much as to why, though some people can speculate and imagine why.

Quite a few days ago (last weekend I think) there were threads that pinpointed the lack of consideration that MNHQ has toward the sort of trolls that infest the FS section from time to time - different in nature and purpose to your average troll that infects MN from time to time.

It may well be that d. is in contact with regular posters whom she trusts. I don't know.

What I do know is that d. was a fabulous source of invigoration and illumination to a lot of posters, myself included, though we didn't always agree with her.

I would like a review from MNHQ of their current "talk guidlines" policy, in order that the FS is provided with a consideration that recognises the particular vulnerability that it experiences.

D. left for her own reasons - but this presents itself as a sort of 'test case' for MN to respond sensitively.

Would anyone agree and post here in support of this?

What's ARM?

posie im not red faced and apologising someone else is and im wondering why?

just felt like mocking the dead, sm. given that she's not here to tell me academic feminism isn't real feminism and all that. seems a bit unfair. particularly on a thread about her departing these here shores.

ARM was the Association for Research on Mothering, but was disbanded a year or two ago as York pulled their funding, despite enormous success. (not that that was particularly an MRA conquest, but interesting in itself in light of the activism directed towards fwr) - has been sort of re-born as MIRCI.

i'm not entirely sure about the 'flounced' thing either tbh. god knows we had enough differences to keep us occupied, but it does feel rather more 'pushed' than 'jumped', whatever her personal activist loyalties. but there are people far more able to comment than me, although we were caught agreeing once, if i recall rightly.

ah the navel gazing of you isnt a real feminist.do people stiill do that shit

lol,oh no its not the 3rd wave,or pluralists,or the post modernists or the iconoclasts feminists and then a socialsciencetastic haze of definitions

She had a thread in Flouncers Corner. That makes her an official flouncer, no?

It's probably a good time to remind the discussion of the purpose of the thread, from the OP:

"I would like a review from MNHQ of their current "talk guidlines" policy, in order that the FS is provided with a consideration that recognises the particular vulnerability that it experiences."

it isn't really about dittany, other than her departure being a (further) trigger forthe request.

flounce thread
and fan call out of we miss ya
yep its the mn oscars.and a speech as heartfelt as gwynnie

why did you call it departure of dittanty and specifically talk about ger then?
if otwas a general moderation and trolls thread why name a specific person as a example of what you feel mn needs to address

SM, allow me to introduce the new, pluralist wave, post-iconoclastic, radical-revisionist, 3rd modern, fempowerfully facetious, alliteration-positive strand of feminism. Tis the one true way.

At sunrise each morning, we gather in the mist to peacefully peruse our navels. I recommend it.

sounds socialsciencetastic a democratic and pluralistic collective of finkers

Good OP, Pan.

I agree.

my navel is well out of shape. i may have to give it a miss, despite meeting many of the other criteria.

My navel is ugly...

sm - because her departure triggered the request, as I had said already??

I haven't wished to eulogise, other than to express my sense of her invigoration and illumination, as I had said in the OP. If you don't support the request that's fine. But bashing someone who isn't here is a bit of bad form IMO.

OVerall though the crashing silence from MNHQ indicates that they have no intention of considering making any changes whatsoever, which is a damned shame.

oh evening Desi!

Evening m'dear.

One of your finest posts, imo.

no its not a damned shame at all.fem topic has gotten itself all worked up and feeling a bitty got at for no good reason

the fem toics don't need careful handling or moderation

and people ned to be more circumsprect on an open forum. imo people should not post personal deep stuff (rape or otherwise on mn) its not safe,not secure
accessible and reproducible to many.not safe and if unwittingly assumption has arisen that fem topics are safe and somehow shielded,well sadly its misplaced.

OK, Pan, returning to topic coz I respect you:

I disagree that the Feminist section experiences particular vulnerabilities, merits special consideration or requires a review of forum policies.

Mumsnet members are adults and should not require special mollycoddling. This site provides ample resources for vulnerable members.

Trolling here is quite a bit less than on other sites I've known. I'm the first to admit I'm a lousy troll-spotter, but then I don't exercise myself overmuch about them.

I have put a lot of effort into helping people who turned out to be trolls sometimes - but so what? I reckon my content was valid, may be useful to someone else at some time; it doesn't really matter whether the trigger was genuine or not.

If a person's got nothing more interesting to say to feminists than a stream of "bingo" insults, it's easy to ignore them. If they make an un-feminist point, then I might bother to disagree for the reasons above. Others might choose to chuck 'em a biscuit and move along. What I won't do is engage in virtual fisticuffs with them, because that has no place in debate.

Out of curiosity, how many trolls are currently active in FWR?

ok sm. That's your view.
rl calls. see you later.

sadly, you do have a point, sm.

i do think mnhq have a role to play in deliberate activism against mners though. even if it is just to remind them of internet security measures etc etc, and make behind the scenes attempts to track and highlight offenders that do contravene talk guidelines or err on the wrong side of the law. that's not just fwr though - that's across the board. i do think fwr is the only board spawning dedicated activist sites railing against it, though. perfectly willing to be proved wrong, and all that. not familar with lp etc. one of the few boards i don't 'fit' into.

SM, MW & Frothy

You have touched upon the lost lynchpin of women's wonderfulness: the navel. The Navel Connects To The Mother Lode. It is Holy.

Hmm ... wonder if I could start a navel-based religion? (No, not a Naval Base!)

i'm gonna miss her. i always, always (well nearly) agreed wholeheartedly with her. feel like i've lost an ally on mn

Ok I promise I read the entire thread but I started glazing over some time back. I oy want to say two thngs:

I would not let my teenage daughter into the fwr forum precisely because of the commens by some of the more prolific male posters. They make me deeply uncomfortable and I loathe the discussions they 'inspire ' ( like parts of this one)

I find myself nodding at many posts on this threads, most notably Pan's.

you do all know mn owns our posts and can reproduce them as they wish
you commit your words to a screen youve lost privacy and ownership of the said words. people need to be aware of that.

the rules was a for profit book comprised of posts, and mn sold them on
mn and dm liaised about mn posts appearing in dm femail
there is no safe space on mn esp not for recounting harrowing experiences
people need to take care and be aware mn is highly visible and accessible to many. dont need special moderation.do need to be canny and careful