"DSK Case Exposes Rifts Between Feminists"

[DontCallMeFrothyDragon]

Lucy Wadham claims to be a feminist. So why is she dubbing those of us who believe DSK is guilty of rape as "Man-Haters"?

Any thoughts?

innocent until proven guilty is the way it should be

Another example of tired liberalism revealing a complete lack of understanding of the yawning gulf between libertarian critiques of puritanism and feminist critiques of rape apologists/MRA's. This Wadham person seems singularly ill-equipped to discuss feminists' response to the DSK rape case as she understands neither feminism nor rape.

we don't even know if a rape took place. You can't just brand him a rapist on her say-so

97% of people reporting a rape aren't lying.

So I believe her.

Most men accused of rape who deny it are lying.

So I don't believe him.

Simples

thoughts? what a load of crap...

and ed1337, i'll view him as a rapist on the basis of undisputed facts:

• they had sex
• they didn't know each other
• no money exchanged hands
• he was a powerful, rich hotel guest while she was a hotel maid

until someone can prove that she consented i will work on the basis of reasonable doubt - and i find it very unreasonable to believe that a hotel maid in the middle of her shift willingly decided to have sex with a man like him.

probably lying to defame him. Or she got angry he wouldn't have an affair so she cries rape. Lots of things could have happened here

Edd, what are you doing in the feminist section?

i couldn't have picked DSK out of a line-up before this case blew up but we're supposed to believe that she knew exactly who he was??? and an "affair" with a guest who was supposed to have already checked out??

lots of things could have happened - let me know when you come up with a vaguely believable one...

DontCallMeFrothyDragon I suppose while I may not consider myself a feminist I do agree with certain things feminists fight for. if that makes me a feminist so be it

aliceliddell doesn't work like that darling

But we've heard nothing but misogyny come from you today. Please feel free to visit Feminism 101. I think you need it...

And please refrain from calling women "darling". How deeply sexist of you.

I find the whole thing deeply disturbing. The american justice system is basically based around how much you can pay for your legal team. The more you pay, the greater your chance of success. There is no subjudicy type legislation so they are free to smear the opposite party.

Not read article yet btw - off to read now

Y'ou can't just brand him a rapist on her say-so'

And so you have branded her a liar based on...? And before you retort with 'she told lies before' - are so squeaky clean that you have never told a lie? Does that now mean you are an outlaw and that anyone can commit a crime against you forever more and the law will shrug its shoulders?

Besides which:

(a) there is other evidence to support her version of events

and

(b) it is not a legal requirement for a rape convistion to have anything more than the victim's word. Whilst it is true that few such cases result in a conviction, it is entirely possible for a man to be convicted - as you so dismissively put it - on the victims 'say-so'

There is the teensy matter of the forensic evidence. His semen in the room where she said she spat it out versus his tale of having dinner with his daughter, for example.

'- they had sex

• they didn't know each other
• no money exchanged hands
• he was a powerful, rich hotel guest while she was a hotel maid'

And that means it must be rape, and if you think otherwise you're not a real feminist?

by skrumles logic, yes. I suppose its sexist to label women golddigers when divorce is I. her favour

"And that means it must be rape, and if you think otherwise you're not a real feminist?"

did i say that??? you quoted fairly extensively and yet i don't see me saying that...

the full post was (with new highlights):
and ed1337, i'll view him as a rapist on the basis of undisputed facts:

• they had sex
• they didn't know each other
• no money exchanged hands
• he was a powerful, rich hotel guest while she was a hotel maid

until someone can prove that she consented i will work on the basis of reasonable doubt - and i find it very unreasonable to believe that a hotel maid in the middle of her shift willingly decided to have sex with a man like him.

if you choose to believe otherwise i don't know that i would necessarily think you not a real feminist but i probably would think you exceptionally naive/thick - does that make it clearer??

DontCallMeFrothyDragon wrote;

"Lucy Wadham claims to be a feminist. So why is she dubbing those of us who believe DSK is guilty of rape as "Man-Haters"?"

Perhaps because there is a difference between believing something happened and knowing it happened?