You don't have to be feminist to post here, but it helps...

[MrsReasonable]

I've noticed that whenever a 'non-feminist' view is brought up, there are occasionally some posts along the lines of 'this is a feminist board, why come here if you aren't...', etc.

Genuine question - is this a feminist board, or a board about feminism? Obviously the majority of posters are feminist, but I'm not sure whether that is because feminists (surprise surprise) like discussing feminism, or because it is seen as a feminist 'safe haven'?

solidgoldbrass wrote:

Reject of Allah, if you don't like women and don't want to engage with them, why on earth don't you just fuck off? No one is forcing you to make a howling arse of yourself on this forum.

Yet another lovely woman representing the best of MumsNet... sorry to disappoint. I won't be going anywhere, and I don't care if you don't like what I say. Someone has to counter post against the man hating bile so many choose to spew here. You can at least trust that unlike you... I won't be making unfounded, uncalled for nasty personal comments about you.

RejectofAllah, may I just ask why you're here? Many of us, even as feminists, will counteract when we feel men are being unfairly represented. So, we really don't need someone with anti-feminist ideals trying to belittle us.

Like UMS, I also dislike the "some posters" type posts. For pretty much the same reasons.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon wrote:

^RejectofAllah, may I just ask why you're here? Many of us, even as feminists, will counteract when we feel men are being unfairly represented. So, we really don't need someone with anti-feminist ideals trying to belittle us.

Like UMS, I also dislike the "some posters" type posts. For pretty much the same reasons.^

Absolutely, I'm here because someone pointed out to me what I can only describe as absolutely disgusting hate speech that had been posted here, and that hadn't been challenged.

Now maybe you'd like to explain the grounds upon which you're basing your accusation about me holding and/or expressing anti-feminst ideals?

could you give an example of the hate speech you are here to challenge?

"Absolutely, I'm here because someone pointed out to me what I can only describe as absolutely disgusting hate speech that had been posted here, and that hadn't been challenged."

What "unchallenged" hate speech? How about challenging the hate speech on Mumsnet Sucks? Hmmm? Or is that where you're from?

I have no idea what you're going on about now.

A friend of mine on another forum sent me a link to a thread here, it wasn't the sad man who seems to have some kind of personal vendetta against this site and it's members. Whos unintelligable rantings I did find in having a read around the internet, and no I won't be wasting my time explain to him that just as he is free to publish what he likes, so are Mumsnet free to publish what theyever they like... whether he likes it or not. I have the feeling that point wouldn't make any sense to someone like him. I'm fortunate enough not to have such sad individuals as him as friends.

So sorry to disappoint again ladies, but I'm not anti-feminist, I'm not anti-womens rights, and I'm not him... I am however a man who has spent 44 years of my life getting on better with women than with men. Who firmly believes that women are my equals, and who recognises that many things that men do to women are wrong... but I am a man... and as much as I'm sure some of you are justified in your anger towards some of the twats you've encountered in life, we're not all the same... any more than you're all the same.

oh im so fed up of all this.[fed up face]
for those that havent noticed...this is a feminist board.
for me this means...discussing feminism and debating and listening to others.
feminism for me means...making sense of whats happened[to me]in the past..
what is happening now and how i can make things better...and how i can make things better reg the future[alebit small one]
in this...i hope i can make things better for others[even if its in a very small way].
this is both on here and in rl[i fight in rl]
im usually polite to others although others arent too polite to me[sometimes].
however...week after week we are getting crap for voicing our oppinions...
it dont matter what we do...we still get crap.
i myself have been called a man hater[couldnt be further from the truth]
and i spend time having to explain what i mean.in fact i seem to spend more time explaining lately than anything else.
from now on....ill explain what i mean if someone genuinly doesnt get what ive said [and this genuinly often happens]....but im not explaining why i stand on the side of women more all the time.
if you dont like it.....fuck off..go and have a fight with someone in aibu instead..im not listening.
i actually feel like ive got to appologise all the time and grovell.
i agree with spoons[people saying"some posters"-yeah im thinking its me aswell]....if you say things like this...at least have the guts to say who the poster/posters is.[and why]

sparky

Reject, you've already posted that you hate women and won't engage with you because women treat you like crap, whine whine whine. Are you the classic fetishclub wankyman, who actually gets his jollies being laughed at and insulted by women?

I'm glad that the MN posters are sorting this out amongst themselves. Custardo, I am sorry if you were upset. I would suggest reading back through what you posted though. I don't think you were bullied. I think you were the one being quite full on.

The small voice of hate in the corner just goes to show why this board is so important. The mere existence of the feminist section bothers it so much it has to try and disrupt it.

Oooh temper temper

dittany Sun 28-Aug-11 12:22:34
"And I'm pretty sure I apologised for that."

Not that I saw.
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look harder

dittany Sun 28-Aug-11 10:50:47

"...Custardo people in this section aren't going to agree with anti-feminist positions or people arguing that we shouldn't examine issues through a feminist lens. "

I am not an anti-feminist. You know this, we have previously debated the language. i am not anti feminism.

"...It's why it's called Feminism. You're being like King Canute. The Feminist tide is going to come in anyway. If it doesn't suit you, hide the section."

No i will not be told where and when to post, not by anyone.

"The behaviour we should be "policing" are the people who start threads scapegoating individual posters and driving them away, the people who come here and call feminists arguments insane, the people saying that someone has shit on their nose or calling people crazy etc etc. "

i dont know who shit ont heri nose refers to? or what

"But most of all what needs to be "policed" in this section is anti-feminism and misogyny - e.g. people calling rape victims liars. Because those people help make our world a very bad place for women. "

i am very anti - anti feminism, mysogyny and calling victims of anything liars and i tink we should help make this a better world full stop.

"If this crap continues I'm never coming back from holiday. But that's what the anti-feminsits want. No actual feminism discussed here and a wide space given to misogynistic views."

Its at this point i clicked that maybe the whole post that singles me out in particular by name isn't wholly aimed at me. but i am unsure, so maybe other people who read this post think "oh custy the person who says rape victims lie, the anit feminist woman hater"

so thats why i have posted and answered it in full so people understand that i don't think i have even commented on a rape thread.

I disagree with banning anyone unless they are threatening others or in some contexts posting material that could lead to legal action. I do think there is an unfortunate tendency for a few to dismiss as "trolls" or "MRA's" anyone who challenges them.
I would hate to think that there is any paritsan policy on the part of MNHQ as to deleting posts and banning individual posters.
It might help if they read through one of the contentious threads and explain the reasons for individual deletions or why some posters get banned when they have done no more to breach the talk guidelines that others.That might help clear the issue up.
Personally, I think it is not a policy; rather the result of a few repeatedly reporting posters they don't like. The end result gives the impression of bias and it would be good if that was addressed.
OP, what exactly did you say to get banned and in what context?

narky puffin, you might feel that way. but i feel differently. they are my feelings and you can have a different take on it - but you cant tell me i didn't feel what i did. - and just so i could re-assess the norms of the debate i posted it in chat and the whole thing went off quite differently.

I think you do need to be a feminist to post here Anything else doesn't help at all! Funny I used to consider myself a feminist until I encountered you lot Now I feel positively 1950s

Custardo if you are anti-anti feminism, misogyny and calling victims liars why don't you identify as feminist - as well as socialist etc? That's broadly feminism, isn't it whether you agree or care about pube shaving?PIv/ any other issue.

erm...no its not broadly feminism.