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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

You don't have to be feminist to post here, but it helps...

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MrsReasonable · 26/08/2011 17:50

I've noticed that whenever a 'non-feminist' view is brought up, there are occasionally some posts along the lines of 'this is a feminist board, why come here if you aren't...', etc.

Genuine question - is this a feminist board, or a board about feminism? Obviously the majority of posters are feminist, but I'm not sure whether that is because feminists (surprise surprise) like discussing feminism, or because it is seen as a feminist 'safe haven'?

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scottishmummy · 30/08/2011 19:07

the ability to be respectful and measured regards dysfunction is imo,inherent in a fair and balanced society.and it is most tested when dealing with particular types of dysfunction

claig · 30/08/2011 19:09

are you saying we have to be respectful to Gordon Brown, as well? There are limits.

garlicnutter · 30/08/2011 19:13

Only if he's made up his mind about biscuits, claig.

claig · 30/08/2011 19:15

what mind?

startAfire · 30/08/2011 19:15

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ChristinedePizan · 30/08/2011 19:21

This isn't a professional or judicial space, nor should it be. Posters are free to disagree (sometimes vehemently) with other posters. What is unacceptable IMO on the feminism boards is someone coming on and posting deeply unfeminist viewpoints and then kvetching about it. For the reasons everyone else said. Everything else is up for grabs. IM very humble O.

scottishmummy · 30/08/2011 19:22

saf,there is legislation eg HRA,MHA which cover treatment of individual by state and statutory organisations.professional code of ethics also demand respect to individuals regardless of circumstance you encounter them in

do yes there are laws about respect and they are regularly invoked.and much harrumphing in press when no likey

claig · 30/08/2011 19:24

do these laws apply to the people who aren't fed adequately and become dehydrated in some of our hospitals? I hope these laws are for real and not just more spin.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 30/08/2011 19:24

I put my foot down at respecting paedophiles, rapists, abusive pricks, Theresa May and Nick Clegg... Sorry, I just do...

Grin

No need to be professional here. None of them have earnt my respect.

scottishmummy · 30/08/2011 19:26

on feminist board no topic should be off limits or deemed unfeminist.this notion of exclusionary topics is illiberal and lacks rigour.as unpalatable as it is some women do lie,take part in heinous acts. deciding to not discuss that doesn't make it go away.

ChristinedePizan · 30/08/2011 19:27

Those laws don't apply here scottishmummy. Do you have anything useful to say or are you just filling up space here? (and yes, I fully acknowledge that's aggressive but I'm getting bored of you going on and on and not actually saying anything interesting).

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 30/08/2011 19:32

You are starting to sound a little like a broken record, scottishmummy.... Hmm

I've lost cunt of how many times you've said those words today...

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 30/08/2011 19:32

*lost count. Excuse the typo Blush

scottishmummy · 30/08/2011 19:32

i have plenty more to say,and shall continue to do so.as i dont consider any topic off limits or too unfeminist for a topic board discussing feminism. now if you seek to deem some topics antifeminist/unfeminist thats your call.i dont feel encumbered by such restrictions

and the statutory laws was a useful digression,and i found it interesting. certainly im not about to invoke any of them on the internet

AyeRobot · 30/08/2011 19:33

SM, are you saying that MN posters should follow statutory guidelines as per the human rights laws, or was that just clarification as a tangent?

scottishmummy · 30/08/2011 19:35

arose from point made about respect,and some people dont deserve it. quite interesting digression

AyeRobot · 30/08/2011 19:36

OK, x post.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 30/08/2011 19:38
claig · 30/08/2011 19:38

I think what scottishmummy has said is valuable.
I don't like orthodoxies. I like to hear different viewpoints, because through discussion of conflicting views, we often see things more clearly and see all aspects.

scottishmummy has often been accused of being misogynistic etc. when she has voiced an opinion. I think it was said unfairly to her. Who decides what is the correct form of feminism? We know that SGB is pro porn and many feminists are anti porn. SGB and scottishmummy have thick skins and post their views, but it is true that other posters do feel scared to voice an opinion, in case they are stamped on. There aren't many posters who would be prepared to say what SGB says about porn for fear of being stamped on. Even TheRealMBJ said that she sometimes doesn't post for fear of putting a foot wrong.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 30/08/2011 19:39

But I don't wish to discuss those women who "lie" about rape. I want to discuss those rape cases which go unreported. I want to discuss why the majority of rapists get away with their crimes. I want to discuss why people still fail to see coercion as rape. I want to discuss why the judicial system locked up Layla Ibrahim for reporting her rape, because the prosecution service is so inept.

On the day that eevery single sex offender is punished for his crimes, then I'll be happy to discuss that very small minority (less than 6%) who lie about rape. Before then, let focus on justice for the 94% telling the truth, and the 80 - 90% who feel they can't even report their ordeal.

scottishmummy · 30/08/2011 19:46

ive been called
troll
anti-feminist
apologist
all v interesting and yes it is so fascinating.the perceived line and questioning that is not tolerable to many on mn discussing feminism - so if need to conceptualise as troll etc -ok

but i will reiterate imo,no topic or question about or regards feminism is off limits. and if that provokes calls of antifeminist etc,well so be it.

garlicnutter · 30/08/2011 19:47

Claig, I think I've seen some complaints of that nature being taken to the European Court. Don't know what happened, if anything.

We are protected by a plethora of legislation about respect, in both personal and professional life. Treating a fellow human being with basic respect doesn't mean pretending you like them, admiring them or respecting their actions, etc. It simply means not harming them. "Do as you would be done by" pretty much covers it.

CBA to look up laws, but consider abuse based on religion or belief ("belief" would include committed feminism of any flavour ), libel and defamation, the Human Rights Act. "Persistent verbal abuse e.g. constant unreasonable criticism" is a possible offence that has been successfully prosecuted many times.

^You should be free from harm, and also from the threat of harm ? physical or psychological. This includes living in fear of strangers or neighbours. But, just as importantly, it includes living in fear of family members ... If you are under threat from someone, the government has a duty to protect you.
UK law includes a range of human rights to help keep you safe from harm.^

It is not OK to decide someone is excluded from the Act because you dislike them or something they did/said. It's common decency to treat others as you wish to be treated.

I would have thought this post unnecessary, especially as Mumsnet rules cover it. I've been doing other stuff while typing, so hopefully it's all been cleared up now :)

scottishmummy · 30/08/2011 19:48

frothydragon,discuss whats pertinent to you.as i will discuss what interests me too. however, i dont expect to be told i cant/shouldnt discuss a topic as its unpalatable

garlicnutter · 30/08/2011 19:50

scottishmummy, it's quite common for people & organisations to pursue defamation from forum posts, so perhaps you're more reasonable than you thought Grin

scottishmummy · 30/08/2011 19:52

indeed there is case lawon content of internet post and impact and reproducibility of such things

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