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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

You don't have to be feminist to post here, but it helps...

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MrsReasonable · 26/08/2011 17:50

I've noticed that whenever a 'non-feminist' view is brought up, there are occasionally some posts along the lines of 'this is a feminist board, why come here if you aren't...', etc.

Genuine question - is this a feminist board, or a board about feminism? Obviously the majority of posters are feminist, but I'm not sure whether that is because feminists (surprise surprise) like discussing feminism, or because it is seen as a feminist 'safe haven'?

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HereBeBolloX · 28/08/2011 23:15

And not that I'm holding up MT as a paragon of virtue.

Pan · 28/08/2011 23:17

nurofen, Ha!

LeninGrad · 28/08/2011 23:19

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justforaminute · 28/08/2011 23:21

yes-im also glad that my two favorate posters have made up.
i shall go to bed tonight with a smile on my face and think of lenins moles[i love moles]

sparky

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 28/08/2011 23:22
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garlicnutter · 28/08/2011 23:22

HB, the distinction between "You're stupid" and "Your thoughts are stupid" is so fine as to be dismissible. When you tell a poster here that what she believes is anti-feminist, that is what you're doing. It is a sophism to excuse lazy argument.

The fact that the view is anti-feminist has no relevance to the poster who's never questioned it from a feminist perspective; all it does is let her know she's considered stupid by her feminist respondents.

Sticking with the rape myth for a minute: it is an issue that affects almost every woman at several points during her lifetime. The MAJORITY view is that rape is something she can influence through her choice of clothing. That is a lie, but MOST people believe it. The shock women feel, on finding out it's a lie, can be immense - this simple exposure is a powerful incentive to grasp what "The Patriarchy" is all about.

So why waste the opportunity to expose the patriarchy by spouting a self-protective political mantra that has no meaning outside feminism?

On your other point, about persistent objectors - leaving out Jamez and pals, I think that's all about where your interests lie. I absolutely loved the long evolution thread. Lots of others had already written the OP off as an anti-feminist irritant by page 12, but I sort of got where he was coming from and was interested in picking apart various matters that arose. Similarly, others here love to dissect academic tracts on various other feminist issues, where I'm happy to read a couple of articles and an overview. It doesn't make anybody wrong or deliberately disruptive, it's just different tunes for different singers.

Did that make sense??

LeninGrad · 28/08/2011 23:23

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Prolesworth · 28/08/2011 23:25

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ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 28/08/2011 23:25
Grin
TheRealMBJ · 28/08/2011 23:27

Yes, gn

garlicnutter · 28/08/2011 23:27

oh, I x-posted with lots of good 'uns.

AyeRobot · 28/08/2011 23:27

HerBeBollox - ut I'm referring to posts where the poster has had several pointers as to whatever it is s/he is saying is wrong, been linked to sites which show the stats, had articles which quote research, etc etc. and still goes on and on with the first post, obviously not willing to listen to any amount of evidence-backed argument. At that point, it becomes clear that the poster isn't actually interested in discussing the issue, just in sticking to his / her original, wrong-headed point, all the time declaring his/ her massive commitment to feminism, while pointing out that his/ her version of feminism is much more reasonable, realistic and altogether better than everyone else's.

This.

And if someone keeps doing that, whilst making no posts that agree with anything even vaguely feminist in nature, then that person will be accused of trolling. Or, at least, will really fuck people off, partly because the debate is stifled due to the sense that a "Gotcha" is lurking around the corner. Genuine information-seeking posters never fuck people off on here. Those who come to agitate do.

And constant reference to that R&J law thread really piss me off. I posted on there not knowing my position on the case. In fact, I probably erred on the side of the mainstream outraged, because I am still a novice in feminist terms and the mainstream runs deep. But instead of knee-jerking and howling at dittany, I wanted to understand where she was coming from and so did some digging around on my own to understand consent laws, the laws in other countries etc, posted some of my thoughts and engaged with dittany. No-one else (iirc) even bothered to try. Same with contentious rape threads.

I can't be arsed to post much these days. And that's because of the critics, agitators, shit stirrers, gotcha-seekers and yes,outright trolls, Not because of the strong feminist voices. They were the ones who made me want to post in the first place.

garlicnutter · 28/08/2011 23:27

Cheers, MBJ! :)

LeninGrad · 28/08/2011 23:30

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dittany · 28/08/2011 23:34

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HereBeBolloX · 28/08/2011 23:39

gn I honestly think you're underestimating people.

People who are interested enough to engage with feminism, are perfectly capable of knowing the difference between criticism of their ideas and criticism of them personally.

Except for the ones who are also incapable of reading links and responding to direct questions...

I don't remember the evolution thread but that may be because of my goldfish memory...

garlicnutter · 28/08/2011 23:42

Several of us have been here since the beginning, we don't all press the red anti-feminist button whenever we disagree with others. But that's fine; you deserve most of the credit so have all of it.

LeninGrad · 28/08/2011 23:42

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MsCellophane · 28/08/2011 23:43

(I'll make a point of deliberately engaging with someone else and post around them.)

Thanks for that

garlicnutter · 28/08/2011 23:44

I don't remember the evolution thread but that may be because of my goldfish memory...

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I don't remember the evolution thread but that may be because of my goldfish memory...

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I don't remember the evolution thread but that may be because of my goldfish memory...

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... and on that very weak joke, I'd better go an find something less taxing to post on before bed!

LeninGrad · 28/08/2011 23:46

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dittany · 28/08/2011 23:47

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HereBeBolloX · 28/08/2011 23:47

"we don't all press the red anti-feminist button whenever we disagree with others. But that's fine; you deserve most of the credit so have all of it"

I actually feel a bit disgusted by that comment GN.

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