Have I read this 'story' right?? Please tell me I haven't.

[stretch]

here

My first ever thread on Feminism, but I have no words...

This is why I generally avoid these threads. I can't be rational and objective and am likely to start running round lamping people at random.

I really really really was infatuated with the person that abused me when I was 9/10, and wanted him to like me and think I was cool soooooo much. I would have (and did) anything for his attention.

So...my fault then, eh?

Yes, that's another point (kind of!)
These 'men' abused their position of privilege and power. They were footballers, could pretty much have their pick of girls Why did they go for 12 year olds??

I'm sorry for everyone who has been subjected to similar. x

ginhag I felt the same.

They weren't picked up form school - why do people think that?

They went out late at night.

Personally, i wont allow my 12 year old out alone, late at night dressed like a 16 year old.

Because if I do, I am negligent because bad stuff could happen.

Those that say it isn't relevant how they are dressed are missing the very point upon which the rapists ( very wrongly) were let off. Or is it okay for children to dress however they like?

Also can someone show me where it says the girls are black|?

Oh FGS!

They were at a party and they snuck out

So personally I think there is very little you could do about it!!

Right back atcha cat :)

Also, my abuser had been fostered by my parents. And they trusted him to look after me.

So, as well as my fault, their fault?

And the fact that they were sexually experienced?

Obviously I will virtually headbutt anyone that says yes to that...

No, those children had a right NOT to be sexually experienced at 12, a right NOT to be out late at night in a park offering sex to strange men.

A right to be children.

I was sexually experienced after being abused. That sort of happens. Made m a fucking easy date rape victim. Oh hang on, was that my fault too?

Jointhedotties: "Those that say it isn't relevant how they are dressed are missing the very point upon which the rapists ( very wrongly) were let off. Or is it okay for children to dress however they like?"

The point is that the law is very clear on this. If you are under 13 you are considered not able to give consent, whatever you are wearing, what ever your parents think or do. The considerations you mention are not relevant to the charge whatsoever. And while I may agree that the circumstances of the girls in question should be looked into; I think blaming the parents for something that happened to their child without their knowledge is unfair.

Looking for who else to blame other than the men who had sexual activity with 12 year olds is too much like the attitude expressed by the judge for my liking.

So what are the parents role/knowledge in this? The abuse?

Good God!

Disgusting.

Surprisingly enough I was sexually experienced after my abuse too, gina. Funny that.

Jointhedotttie: you don't realise you are being offensive do you? Well you are. A lot.

I think that is the thing: we don't know what the family circumstances are from the report cited.
But if the girls were indeed "sexually experienced" at 12, abuse is a good possibility. And as both gina and I have pointed out to you, this could have happenned without the knowledge or complicity of their families.

Jointhedotties

You are desperate to blame the parents, nearly every post has expressed that view (and I can go back and count actually how many times you have said it if you like)

Please can you stop this now, as Cat says you are being offensive (and obv not reading posts properly)

FFS jointhedotties. join the dots. What in gods name are you arguing? Spit it out

Thank you SGM :) that was very well put.

And please can you stop attacking the families of the girls when you have no idea of the circumstances Dottie. There but for the grace of Bob and all.... (yes I know it would never happen to you as you are a perfect parent. But if it ever did...)

I know that telling my mum, 6+ years later, was one of the hardest things I've ever done. And I completely regret doing it, as it hurt her so much (turns out she had been through worse so it was heartbreaking for her to feel 'responsible' for what happened to me. Which she WASN'T in case anyone is confused here.)

Didn't we knock that old chestnut on the head with all that discussion about slut walking and the Bailey Review? You know, that what a person is wearing is never an incitement to rape and that there is no proven correlation that rapists "choose" their victims based on their attire?

If a 12 year old child was stark naked, it still wouldn't be an excuse for having sex with them.

I think she/he is trying to say it's the parents and girls fault really, mainly the girls but really the parents as the girls aren't old enough

"It is the parents of those children I'd like to see in the dock alongside their abusers, too"

"For allowing twelve year old children out late at night, alone, unsupervised and open tp abuse, that's why.
And the very fact that little girls like this allegedly invited sex is of serious concern, God knows what type of " family" they come from"

"They text the men to come over. Where were the parents?"

"I agree AtomicBroomstick. Something very not right in those families. Lack of care and supervision at best I'd say."

" I don't know what type of families they come from but not the type my twelve year old and her friends come from. We don't allow our little girls to be picked up late at night by grown men, oddly enough."

"Not all families are equal, not all are decent ."

"And the parents allowed these allegedly sexually experienced children out , late at night, dressed much older, with strange men."

"And you wonder why I want them strung up?"

"I agree Sardine, which is why I believe the parents should be in teh dock AS WELL, not instead of."

That's only halfway, couldn't be bothered to do any more.

'not all families are equal, not all are decent'