2001 channel 4 documentary on porn

[darleneconnor]

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The best anti-porn evidence I've seen.

(Please watch with caution, some scenes are upsetting)

K999 I am sorry to see you leave. I think you did ask good questions. Some people are possibly born evil, but the vast majority are made evil through their upbringing and society. No one knows exactly why they turn out as they do. But I do think that a latent resentment towards either a controlling father or mother is a factor that can turn people to do evil things.

But, K999, if you lurk on this board you will surely have read about rape culture, objectification of women, male violence etc and the way it all interlinks. We, too, are exploring the issue, from the point of view that the whole porn culture and women as the sex-class results in situations like Felicity's.

You also have to feel sorry for the parents of psychopaths. My ex's mum was on antidepressants. The issue there was not her causing problems for him but him causing problems for her.

I walked away but she is still stuck with him because she loves her son. She is a nice woman.

Some of these people are just born that way.

One final comment then. Commenting on a public forum means people base their views on the knowledge they have (well I do usually). That may be limited knowledge or in depth knowledge. Whatever level that knowledge may be should be treated with some kind of respect. Just because others may not agree does not make my comment any less worthy. And yes a lot of comments are also based on belief. But belief (in my opinion) comes with a thorough understanding of a subject. I was merely trying to understand this vast topic. Yes I do lurk, but I confess that I do not have time to read all posts and all threads on this topic.

I don't have a thorough understanding of the subject and have always been clear about that

I am shockingly poorly-read on feminist topics, both on MN and in the wider world

I saw this documentary years ago and watched it again yesterday, having made no reference to it to myself nor anyone else in the intervening years

There is no excuse for inanity though...I call it here, I would call it anywhere where a serious discussion is being had

As I would expect to be called on it myself

K999 I lurk on these threads as well and sometimes occasionally post. I also have a limited knowledge base. What do I know about men compared to the experts to be found here who can explain them to me? They are like MH, who can explain to Felicity about women. Dittany gave you fair warning - she was prepared to disregard your mother blaming, but you persisted in your blasphemy. That was unwise of you.

what about money?

www.guardian.co.uk/books/2001/mar/17/society.martinamis1

i found this interesting. im not doubting that people like MH are sadistic and enjoy hurting and humiliating young women, but money is a big draw too, and porn makes money.

Andre-ok, enough of the crap you are posting on here. You're getting very offensive now. I've reported both of your latest posts. I'm not sure how you are still a member.

Yup, I've also reported.

JessinAvalon

You need to be more sure of yourself.

bedlambeast

I'm only speaking truthfully.

I think there's an expression that women use about growing tits, previously expressed by men and having balls, and now, I'm told, something about mojo. If such things are banned on MN, then so be it. All the better for you.

Going to bed - nite nite.

Andre-your posts are completely nonsensical. I hope that your posts are removed and your membership revoked. Please go away.

Why? Why do some men think they have the right to interrupt women's conversations in a feminist space all the bloody time with their 'me me me' and their The World According To Me and their What, I, Me Think About Other Posters?

Is it because their entitlement, privilege and obliviousness renders them too stupid to actually engage in humane civilised intelligent on topic discussion?

And to top it they are all so bloody tedious and samey. It always ends in a bit of hate speak involving genitals because they can't seem to get their minds off the mighty penis.

Thankfully we have some normal male posters here who contribute positively to this board.

I hope this discussion will not be totally derailed by all the crap that is cluttering it up. I might start a thread later about some of the issues that have come up here such as; why the violence and cruelty in porn?

Dittany said;

"I think Meg Baldwin might be a bit confused about the source of the violence that men enact against prostituted women. They go to prostituted women in order that they can abuse them, in order that they can be violent to them and get away with it. They are enjoying the power over aspect. They aren't having tender feelings that they can't deal with so they lash out - the violence is planned. As it was planned by all those men against Felicity. They were all working out what they could get away with doing to her."

I think you are right here too. I think there are the men who seek out vulnerable women in order to abuse them, but I also think there are men who think that they are just plain entitled to sex when they want it and who may well ft into Meg Baldwin's schema. (With regards to prostituted women)

On the other hand I do think that the vast vast majority of men in porn do it because they get kicks out of the cruelty and power. I guess there might be some who are there because they see women as fucktoys and no more - christ and these are the less bad ones IYSWIM.

In other words, most of the men in porn are evil bastards who enjoy women being abused and some of the men (and these are the 'nicer' ones) don't care that women are being abused as long as they get to stick their dicks in one. Remind me why this shit isn't illegal again?

This is an interesting article about the impact on future serial killers of their upbringing by domineering and abusive fathers and mothers.

www.wowessays.com/dbase/af5/dtb172.shtml

Shes not singling out mothers but I read somewhwere that his mother was bascially the town whore, and everyone knew it in Racine (which is like being a drunk in ireland)

its not an excuse and doesnt explain his obsession with young'uns

but he seems to have a hatred of women who appear promiscuous like a way of humiliating them they she humiliated him. explains the hatrerd and the fact his role model he saw being exploited it would normalize it. I;m not saying its an excuse but my mother saw it and works in psychology and claimed thers a definate link and tbh I bet the field of psychiology would have a field day with him .

odvioulsy that alone would not create this monster or maybe it could, if the prostitution was done in the home. many disturbed men the punters were brought back home and saw their mother being abused.

I hope thats inline with what K999 was trying to say.

Delia, whose mother? I am not sure who you are talking about.

MH's i read it somewhere last night
I was a very tired tbh

its not about 'blaming the mother' but seeing his mother in that world being sbused by men

I keep thinking about that chilling documentary, Felicity, her daughter and those fucking evil men.

And am deeply depressed that there are probably more heinous crimes being committed in the name of porn that I know about.

Someone mentioned that horrible thing that Max Hardcore did with a speculum and urinated, I am utterly aghast at someone doing that, and wondering at the mentality of anyone who watches it? WHO would find that sexually exciting and gratifying to watch? And how fucking naive am I that I have to ask.

I am just utterly appalled by it. What is wrong with men who degrade women like this? And how can that man (and others) have got away eith it for so long.

In a link above is references Ron Jeremy, who says that he doesn't like porn nowadays as it is all about 'how many dicks you can fit in one asshole' and is about sadistic sex. He also says he 'only does porn when there is a smile on a woman's face'. How in the name of arse has Ron fucking Jeremy become the acceptable and mild apologist for porn? He was involved in a notorious mass gang bang of a Singaporean girl whose name I can't remember, she was filmed having sex with over 400 men in one sitting. I watched a documentary on that and she was truly disturbed.

I cannot believe that anyone can be supportive of the porn industry when despicable acts and despicable men like this are in the middle of it all.

Jesus christ how many of us on this thread have been on the perennial porn threads on mumsnet, and been shouted down, scorned and mocked when we say (a) we hate porn and (b) so do our partners. Thank christ and all his cherubim that my DP feels it is revolting as I do.