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This Poster is Like Feminism Never Happened

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IBlameThePenguins · 13/03/2011 19:31

Hi,

I hope you don't mind me posting here. I am very new to the world of feminism - although I have held pretty feminist views for most of my life, I am only just starting to read the theory etc. I am a regular lurker on this board, but so far, have never been brave enough to post.

Anyway..I stumbled accross this poster on facebook, and must say, am pretty horrified - and even more so by the comments below. One guy is trying to make a really valid point, and is being shouted down with a load of ignorant/ irrelevant abuse. I am so completely shocked at what some of the young women have written ("you must be gay then, mate" etc).

Was just wondering if you think it's worth maybe commenting.

TIA.

www.facebook.com/lydia.rickards#!/photo.php?fbid=10150115096265913&set=a.439749940912.218950.626130912&theater

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InmaculadaConcepcion · 13/03/2011 19:40

Depressing.

carminaburana · 13/03/2011 19:47

Doesn't it defeat the object of feminism if you're seeking the approval/permission from a bunch of strangers? - if you think something is wrong say so - it's called having your own mind.

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IBlameThePenguins · 13/03/2011 19:51

You're right. Sorry. Like I say, I'm new to all this, but yes, i have commented myself.

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Thistledew · 13/03/2011 19:56

How on earth does asking the opinion of strangers defeat the purpose of feminism? What an odd thing to say

Thistledew · 13/03/2011 19:57

You are right, Penguins. And it is good to raise issues like this for discussion.

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IBlameThePenguins · 13/03/2011 20:02

I guess I just posted it because I was so shocked...as I say more so by the comments underneath - both sexist and homophobic IMO. It's not that long ago that I was a student, but I never encountered these views within my circle of friends. I suppose it's just been a total eye opener to realise that people...WOMEN...still feel this way.

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HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 13/03/2011 20:02

So feminism is about not talking to strangers? That's obviously where we've been going wrong!

It is all about feeling intimidated to say something, isn't it OP? Because the overwhelming consensus is that the poster is just a bit fun and everyone who disagrees needs to lighten up. It is hard to swim against the tide.

OP I sometimes post on a sporting forum which has similar misogynistic views to the above and IMO you need a thick skin and a very strong argument to stick your head above the parapet. The issue being that they don't want to engage in a debate, they just want to shout you down - and feel entitled to do so.

I have done it but I did get called a lot of names and got told to go back to the kitchen etc etc.

David51 · 13/03/2011 20:04

that page is down currently, whats it all about?

carminaburana · 13/03/2011 20:11

er, I'm actually trying to help her -

AliceWorld · 13/03/2011 20:32

No it doesn't defeat the point of feminism to speak to others.

Can't see it now OP to comment, but welcome to posting on the board. There isn't anything too small to be a feminist issue.

HerBeX · 13/03/2011 20:40

In what way does discouraging the OP from linking up with like-minded people and gettng support, help her?

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IBlameThePenguins · 13/03/2011 20:45

I must say, carminaburana, I was pretty nervous about posting on here, especially since the "which boards are the scariest" thread, and while I do see what you were hoping to achieve, I did see your post, and think "Oh bloody hell, I shouldn't have bothered!" If it hadn't been for the subsequent supportive posts I don't think I'd have bothered again.

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HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 13/03/2011 20:50

David - It was a poster with the strapline NUDITY but actually about a varsity football match in Leceister. At the bottom of the poster was a picture of a naked woman with her hand over her breasts and a football in an appropriate place. One guy objected to it and basically got a torrent of abuse along the lines of if you don't like it then don't look at it; no-one complains about page 3; it's only a bit of light entertainment etc etc (obviously with a few expletives thrown in there for good measure and a fair amount of dick-swinging).

carminaburana · 13/03/2011 20:54

I was replying to her post in isolation - if she encounters something on F/B she thinks is wrong, she needs to tackle it there and then, there's no point running over here asking what we think - she could be unlucky and pick a time when all the hairy truckers are lurking. I was encouraging her to be brave and have confidence in herself.

I wasn't trying to discourage her from linking up with like minded people for support - I was encouraging her to be confident.

My advice was good,

carminaburana · 13/03/2011 20:56

Xposts .

But clearly not [ deluded ]

Prolesworth · 13/03/2011 20:56

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claig · 13/03/2011 20:58

IBlameThePenguins, good post. Keep posting, don't think your views are invalid if they don't agree with theory and doctrine. This isn't the church. You don't need theory to be right. The suffragettes didn't all read theory. They just knew what was right and wrong.

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IBlameThePenguins · 13/03/2011 21:04

Thanks prolesworth and claig. I am glad to have finally posted, I think that since having my baby girl 18months ago, I have become increasingly aware that I don't just want to sit back and THINK "oh, well that's just wrong" I want to challenge it. I want to feel like I've done all I can to a) make sure she doesn't encounter such "accepted" mysogony, and b) make sure she has the tools ans confidence to know that such things are wrong and to stand up for her beliefs.

Carminaburana - i think it proably was good advice...maybe just a bit abrupt in its delivery ??

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Prolesworth · 13/03/2011 21:07

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FlamingoBingo · 13/03/2011 21:09

No, I can't see it either OP.

But I don't see why Carmina wrote what he/she did. Very odd and unpleasant indeed

Glad it hasn't put you off!

FlamingoBingo · 13/03/2011 21:11

x-post Carmina

I kind of get what you were saying now. It was the 'it's called having your own mind' comment that sounded a bit abrupt and snippy.

dittany · 13/03/2011 21:12

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SlainteBooyFeckingHoo · 13/03/2011 21:14

if it helps, i have come across a few things both on FB and in the media and i have come here first as a way of putting my thoughts into words. i am not very articulate and when it comes to tackling sexism/racism/homophobia etc i know i am right to tackle it but when being shouted at ignoramous' it is hard to form articulate sentances which get your point a cross. the posters on this board are always a great help when i fell i need to speak up against something. although lord knows why i need help as i have had plenty of practise with my dad over the years

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 13/03/2011 21:14

I would say it is very characteristic of feminism that women support each other in standing up against things when they are uncertain or intimidated.

welcome to this section Penguins & Carmina (if you are new, haven't seen your name round much here).

SlainteBooyFeckingHoo · 13/03/2011 21:15

when being shouted at by a bunch of ignoramous'

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