facts about porn

[littlesez]

I hate it and Im not starting a thread to debate about it because i know its been done here before, but i am wondering if people can please help me to find some facts about porn. Rather than personal opinions on it. Of course feel free to debate/discuss/share opinions on it

I am wondering if there is any info out there about the effects of it,facts about pay especially men V women, the devastation it can have on those involved and such.

I feel really strongly but not very good and stating my case so much and so i am asking for help! I want info/facts to back up my argument. sorry if it sounds a bit silly

[David51]

Littlesez there is now a mountain of evidence about the harmful effects of pornography. A good place to start is the Stop Porn Culture website which has loads of resources:

stoppornculture.org/

Your question isn't silly and you will get plenty of advice and support from people here who feel the same way as you about this issue

[David51]

This page has some of the most important facts & figures:

stoppornculture.org/stats-and-studies/

[Thandeka]

facts- women usually get paid a lot more than men to star in porn films- one area where gender pay gap is reversed.

AFAIK evidence is inconclusive one way or the other. You can find a wealth of studies to support both sides of the argument. And officially the jury is still out...

[Thandeka]

Was actually speaking as a scientist doing a masters in sexual health. I do a lot of reading around porn particularly its effect on young people. But no matter.

Can see both sides of the argument but it can turn into a bit like the abortion debate in some ways with people hooking facts and evidence onto their opinions rather than using the overall body of peer reviewed solid evidence to help formulate their opinions. So at the minute I am on the fence, but happy to continue reading and learning.

[Heroine]

Sorry but dworking is mental - I read 'intercourse' and it was full of the most utter paranoid shite I have ever seen.

[Heroine]

Oh no I understood it - to be a creative and agressive re-write of almost all views about women and men to turn them all into negative ones - it is utterly awful. I came away thinking this woman really hates herself and is trying to get everyon to blame this on men. I think she even claimed that all diseases that women get are created by abuse by men - she was NUTSO.

[Heroine]

Facts about porn-(ish as can't be bothered to go and reference them all) 1/3 women use porn 70+ of men. Women typically paid much more, men tend to own most of the businesses - but that is changing.

Not all women are devastated by being on porn - some already devastated women do porn. Massive stigma and aggression against women who do porn from so-called feminists who like to peg women who do porn as subhuman and/or subjugated and exploited (and therefore weak enough to be). Many female porn stars are earning many thousands more than their non-porn working contemporaries doing lower paid, lower status jobs. Porn actresses typically do about 5 shoots a year (some loads more some a lot less obviously) for about 5 years - and earn about £3K to £20K a shoot. (some a lot more, some a lot less).

Side fees can be earnt doing glamour shoots, traditional modelling, or running personal fan websites, not to mention public appearances at erotic shows porn store openings, endorsements, magazine articles, interviews etc. The overlap between porn and some of the music industry also can generate extra funds (snoop Dogg has used several sex workers in his videos for example).

If we are going to have 'facts' why predicate the requests with requests for 'facts' only on 'devastation'???

[Heroine]

So two options - agree with you .. or I can't possible understand - you sound like a cult leader.

[Thandeka]

Dittany now you are being a little bit attacking to posters for the sake of getting your own opinion across when the OP specifically asked for this not to be a debate about it.

I'm on the fence on this one until I am completely convinced one way or the other and someone insinuating I am a woman hater supporting prostitution not caring about females being degraded is not really a way to convince me of the value of what you are trying to say.

If you must- Attack the beliefs not the person ta.

[Thandeka]

oops sorry OP you did say we could discuss/share opinions on it- I apologise! must stop -skim reading--

[Thandeka]

Am on this thread because its an area that interests me and often for provision of one fact to back up an opinion there is an equal and opposite fact for the counter opinion. It is worth knowing the full side of a debate field so you can know exactly where and why you stand there.

The OP wanted facts about pay- I gave them to her- sorry if you think that wasn't helpful- is that because it doesn't agree with facts you know?

I think social sciences is one of the best tools we have to properly explore the issues created by porn- there are massive issues at the minute with the government and the sexualisation review using somewhat biased studies/agnecies to "prove" that sexualisation is a problem. So I'm afraid I don't hold much stock in politicians/governments making decisions about porn for the sake of our human rights without coming from an informed evidence base.

Your statement- "It's like saying we need peer-reviewed studies to prove that racist hate material is wrong." You seem to be coming from this from a blanket "all porn is wrong" perspective and therefore I am assuming you mean "porn is women hating material" (apologies if you didn't mean that) but the thing is what about gay porn? lesbian porn? even so called "ethical porn"- a blanket belief that all porn is basically women hating evil actually hinders possibility for meaningful debate and positive change in the industry (I mean wider than mumsnet though I appreciate- mnetters rule the world ;)) - which is why more research is needed into the effect of porn on the consumer (or likewise effect of racist hate mail on the reader). But yes I do think we need to explore further whether all porn is women hating material (and I agree some is).

[Thandeka]

I'm a scientist, turned social scientist (for masters anyhow- though dayjob is mostly sexual health education) so use terms interchangeably in terms of research- (like it with a large sample size and statistically significant before conclusions are drawn if possible). Apologies for confusion.

Meant we as a society, especially as a society that are consumers of pornography (willingly or unwillingly- eg. music vids/billboards/advertising)

[Thandeka]

Oh and I find this study to be quite interesting:
www.springerlink.com/content/c1k7r32gj9q72248/

[Thandeka]

Am sure you are more than capable of reading it for yourself but particularly the differences between the paraphilic and mainstream pornography on the young men.

Think possible negative effects on behaviour from watching extreme porn can sometimes be concluded to be the same for all porn, and in this study they were separated out which was more helpful.