facts about porn

[littlesez]

I hate it and Im not starting a thread to debate about it because i know its been done here before, but i am wondering if people can please help me to find some facts about porn. Rather than personal opinions on it. Of course feel free to debate/discuss/share opinions on it

I am wondering if there is any info out there about the effects of it,facts about pay especially men V women, the devastation it can have on those involved and such.

I feel really strongly but not very good and stating my case so much and so i am asking for help! I want info/facts to back up my argument. sorry if it sounds a bit silly

Yes, because that would be boring Dittany. The less boring bit of eating gets well and truly 'covered' in the media. Just as the less boring bit of sex does. The more boring bit i.e. dating doesn't get anywhere near as much coverage.

maybe we should stick to linking and facts.

all valid points on here but its turning into E-beef

oops last reply was to little red dragon.

Do you have evidence for claim "they are probably watching rape in quite a bit of the porn they've come across"? All the other issues you mentioned are explored with young people as well as stuff around body image, sexual reality vs. porn etc and helping them form their own opinions.

Can we not refer to porn as SEM? SEM is a well used acronym in science for something that has nothing to do with porn, and I am finding it really weird to hear porn called SEM!

ssh, we better not call 'it' consumation.

Anyway, my job here is done - I was merely trying to lighten Dittany the thread.

But thandeka, the point I'm making is that you don't have to go to the Amish to find men who've never seen porn.

I know the media likes to tell us that porn is inescapable and 'all' men naturally end up seeing some without being able to help themselves, but this is a myth.

I don't see how watching jamie oliver make a salad can be compared to a porn film TBH.

When someone watches JO they are watching someone do something well possibly with a view to learning how to do it better themselves.

When someone watches a porn film they do it in order to have a wank. The people in porn aren't "sex experts" and they're not doing it with a view to educating people on how better to have sex.

I'm not seeing the parallel.

and I said - "sexualised media" not porn- that is where the difficulty lies- has your DH never seen a Shakira or Rihanna music vid? A calvin Klein advert? I was pondering if that had an effect thats all. But I suppose it depends on quite how SE the SEM is. ;)

dittany, I'd watch that, does that make me a bad person?

thandeka, he's seen adverts but not music vids. Until we got together, he wouldn't watch on-screen sex scenes in films either. I'm aware adverts are sexualized but I think it'd still be a much better experiment than doing without a control group at all.

I can't remember my athens password but am trying to see if there are studies using a control group of men who haven't seen porn. There are a few comparing regular versus rare consumers of porn IIRC. WIll have a rummage.

Sexualised media hijack is probably my fault- is my bugbear as is so accessible from a very young age- then a jump into watching porn isn't so great?

thandeka, if you give me the name of the journal I could try to find it?

Interestingly little research on effect of porn on women. Am finding stuff on google that does say researchers are struggling to find control groups.

LRD- am looking for abstracts via google scholar at min so no journal found yet

dittany that is horrible.

Not at all surprised that there are few studies to show the effect porn has on women.

I think that porn has an absolutely fundamental effect on women. Many women I'm sure would report being persuaded/coerced into doing something they didn't really want to - and the driver for the male in doing this is to recreate something he's seen.

I'm sure you could quite easily find control groups for porn use amongst older men. There I imagine you would be able to find men who may have seen none of the modern porn films.

I bet many men my dads age haven't seen a "blue movie" since about 1968 and things have changed a lot since then in content and style. They would make for a control group surely.

Im so grateful for all the replies I want to come back and read them all properly too when my daughter lets me!. Its something i feel really strongly about but i never know how to explain it.

Im not really one for debating but some of my thoughts are that being paid lots of money (which is really not very many cases relatively) is not really an argument agaisnt people being degraded. This is often what i come across when i "argue" that the people involved in porn are highly paid and so empowered in some wat

I also find it hard to think about some of the girls being very young and then that enters the world of child porn urghh its so horrible.

I will be back and thanks for all the links much appreciated