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Lazy partner

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BlairWaldorfsHairband · 19/10/2010 13:48

Don't know where to start, just feel like I need a massive rant. Sorry for yet another thread about housework.

What the hell can I do? We've lived together 6 months or so, I feel like things are slipping out of my grasp. Today it's all come to a head and I am so unhappy (he doesn't know it at the moment).

I will try to keep it short.

He thinks he "tries" and that he is reasonable. Yes, if I ask, things will get done (eventually, or straight away accompanied by sighs). But I really fucking resent having to ask. To think about these things. When HE DOESN'T.

With the big jobs (laundry, hoovering, etc) it's almost simpler. I will say "this needs to be done" and we will do it together if laundry, or the hoovering or cleaning bathroom might get done in a few days. Washing up we alternate and do every 2 days (we both detest it). See above point re: thinking about the jobs.

What gets me is the little things. Putting things away. Especially food rubbish. Other rubbish too (from the post etc). Dirty laundry.

But mainly it's just that he NEVER thinks about these things. And he doesn't understand how I can have these things on my mind for days at a time. I have changed and become more slovenly because it is easier than "nagging". Our flat is cluttered to put it nicely. I don't like what I've become.

We've talked about it so many times. I've told him I feel it's disrespectful to me. He says he is just happier to do things when he wants to do them, and that they will get done. This means that every day there is something left out around the living room or kitchen, a yogurt pot, a glass with dried milk in the bottom, etc. I've told him that it affects how much I want sex with him. (Other issues there though, haha). He promises to do more, to make an effort. If I'm around, he will, like cleaning up after himself when he cooks.

(He used to cook more than me, that's changed lately - what a surprise! He likes it more than me too.)

Anyway. At the weekend he went away for a night with mates. A weight was lifted off my shoulders (don't feel I can do chores when he is around, you see. Makes me resentful). I cleared up, hoovered, did some laundry (that he said he was going to do before he went out). Doesn't seem like much but I wrote down what I had done and included all the little things. (Like "put yogurt pot in bin" or "put dirty towels in laundry basket now there is space".)

He came home, said "It looks really tidy, thanks!" and hasn't lifted a finger to do anything since, except wash up last night when it was his turn. The kitchen is a tip again, laundry needs doing, dirty pants on floor in bedroom.

I could go on but I am sure this is getting boring.

We have tried rotas (didn't work for long because we go away to visit family on weekends fairly often) and separating chores (can't agree; he WON'T clean the bathroom every time and will only take the "nice" chores like hoovering and laundry rather than the ones where you get dirty). Besides, this doesn't address the "small" issues.

I think he is lazy. He plays Call of Duty on the PS3 each night for at least 2 hours.

My latest idea is to put up and shut up for a month and write down EVERYTHING that I do. But then what? He always wriggles out of it.

I've read the Politics of Housework. I'm not sure if he thinks I should do it all (maybe he does, but doesn't realise it) or if he is just really lazy. He calls me nagging too.

I am aware that I'm a cliche :( Just so worried that it will be much, much worse when we have kids. Why is it so damn hard?

I'm so unhappy today :( thanks for reading.

OP posts:
blackcurrants · 21/10/2010 14:21

argh, "your feelings"

sorry. NO sleep. Sorry.

EvilAntsAndMiasmas · 21/10/2010 14:23

How old is he, Blair? The "no housework for me tonight!" and "Just as well I've already said I'll read them then" comments honestly sound like a 12 year old.

Bit confused by this: "he has said that he doesn't really want me to discuss my interest with him as he doesn't really know what it's about." and "he keeps insisting he wants to learn about feminism" - does he or doesn't he?

Is it actually that he doesn't want to hear about it (how rude of him to say so!) but gives lip service to wanting to, to keep you sweet? What is he waiting for, can't he start reading now?

spidookly · 21/10/2010 18:43

"Could I point out the elements of territorial behaviour he is displaying here -the dirty clothes in the shared spaces of the house, turning the football on when he knows the OP is upset, the massive dump in the bathroom when he should have been cleaning it (the last one is very symbolic)."

Sorry dittany, you are one of the reasons I read MN, but this is just too funny.

If you need to do a poo, you need to do a poo. Even if the urge strikes you when you are "supposed to be" cleaning the bathroom (which he wasn't as I've read it, the OP just assumed that was what he was doing).

Come on, are you saying he should have withheld his shit to appease the OP's feelings of persecution?

Or that he can crap at will just to annoy her?

(and yes, I know LI is not where you'd go for discourse on housework, that was supposed to be the joke.)

OP - I think the main problem you have with this guy is that he is quite stupid and you are much smarter than he.

He sounds like a right gobshite TBH and you seem to be trying to use your superior intellect to get him to do what you want.

Whereas you should be using it to realise that you are not happy with him and should end the relationship.

dittany · 21/10/2010 18:54

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BlairWaldorfsHairband · 21/10/2010 19:04

Thanks spidookly! You're probably right, I think he does know that I am more intelligent than him. I must say it's been refreshing having your posts on here from the opposite point of view to mine.

I can laugh about the shit thing now, I don't think it was deliberate either, just seemed so typical at the time.

Today I let him know how generally worried I was feeling and when we got home we both started clearing up, folded yesterday's washing and put it away and had a clearout together of general rubbish and recycling and a black bag. Now he's taking me out for dinner. (Yep he will paying!) When we were done he gave me a hug and said "I can't find anything else to do" which obviously I don't want every day but it showed that he wanted to please me today. He apologised for yesterday too.

EvilAnts I think he is happy to learn about it to please me (after all I make an effort to be able to make little comments about football or his games). But he doesn't want to talk about it before he has a better idea. Probably because he knows I will just tell him he is wrong and anyway I don't want to "teach" him.

Anyway, we agreed a trial period of a month on the housework front last night. I'm not going to get complacent, I will be using that time to think about if he is what I really want, keep an eye out for flats and think about where else I could live if it comes to that. I won't bury my head in the sand but just feel he deserves one more chance.

OP posts:
ScaryFucker · 21/10/2010 21:17

I don't think this bloke is thick at all

I think he is quite clever, and may yet outwit the OP, just by sheer force of telling her she is a nag

elportodelgato · 21/10/2010 21:33

has anyone come on yet to suggest you get a cleaner? My DH is not as bad as your DP sounds, but this became a bone of contention for us after DD was born and I was at home suddenly 'in charge' of cooking, cleaning, never-ending tidying of toys etc.

I told him there were 2 options: 1) we draw up a rota like in a student house or 2) we get a cleaner. We now have a cleaner, she is brilliant, the house sparkles once a week. The night before she comes we have to tidy up so she can clean properly so things get tidied too. My DH likes to accumulate books, papers, random bits of shit important work stuff in little piles round the house. Every so often I dump it all in a heap and tell him he's got 24 hours or it gets recycled, it usually works.

TBH though, the bigger question about 'why am I the one who has to remember what needs to be done?' remains unanswered in our house. DH will gladly do the laundry if I TELL him it has to be done. I doubt he would notice it if I didn't tell him... having said that, the garden and all DIY are completely his domain and I refuse to get involved so I think it all works out in the end.

ScaryFucker · 21/10/2010 21:44

yes, elport, it has been suggested and dismissed as just covering up the basic problem...the OP's partner is a lazy fucker

how will getting yet another person to clean up his shit be any solution at all ?

everythingiseverything · 21/10/2010 23:27

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TorturesInAHalfHell · 22/10/2010 02:22

Spidookly, sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday. I was interested in your posts from the other point of view - but actually, if you're tidier than your husband, more of a planner and a listmaker, then you are already in a very different situation to Blair. You have your strengths, your husband has his, you pull together and both make massive contributions. That's very different. Actually I think it's interesting that your first post made it sound like he's doing way more than you, but actually you're making the classic female contribution of planning and managing, which we all know is often invisible.

FWIW, my husband's a bit like yours, and no, I've not "lifted my game" to match his in every way either. His hobby is making furniture, he knows how to pave courtyards and how to wire lamps, he does the outdoor painting and erects the sheds. His idea of a relaxing Sunday afternoon is stripping down some old chairs, replacing the wood with something he'll have sourced from a specialist woodyard on Wednesday when he had our toddler for the day, and sanding it back.

But I do think that when it's about house cleaning and tidying and meals, specifically, there needs to be a rough equality - even if, like you, that means that he cleans the kitchen more often and you tidy up. Because if someone has much lower standards, and refuses to hoist 'em up, that person is requiring their loved one to live in an environment that's uncomfortable and unpleasant.

The difficulty is knowing where the objective standard for housework is. You said that being uptight about housework is a choice, and there's nothing virtuous about wanting the house to be pristine all the time. Well, I agree. But then who decides what the bare standard is? We all agree that Blair's desire to have the flat hoovered once a week and the bathroom cleaned is reasonable. But if her partner says it's uptight and there's nothing virtuous about clean sheets, where's the compromise?

frgr · 25/10/2010 11:30

"I feel like there are 2 choices: do it all, feel happy about living in a clean flat but resent him so much that I am constantly simmering with anger; or keep it the same as it is now and just feel down about it all the time and worrying about bringing it up."

You're wrong. There are 3 choices for women who find themselves in this situation, never placed more starkly than I once saw on here in a bullet list. Here it is for you:

  1. Live in a house less clean and tidy than you want. Refuse to do more than dealing with your own laundry/etc (this doesn't work if you have children, all of their work becomes "yours")
  1. Hire a domestic (usually a woman, usually in a more vulnerable economic position than yourself) to cover the traditional wife gap
  1. Do all of it yourself and accept that things are unequal.

There is a (4), change him, but I've yet to see a situation where number 4 actually happens IRL due to such a fundamental mismatch in the people's attitudes.

So... pick 1 2 or 3, sorry to be so blunt.

frgr · 25/10/2010 11:31

p.s. I chose number 1 by the way. But also a small amount of number 4, but that worked out only once we both went 60% of time at our work. Since we both do 3 days each, and take over sole childcare on our off days, he now sees EXACTLY what running a house involves. The stark reality is the best message bringer!

expatinscotland · 25/10/2010 11:33

Please don't ever have children with this person.

If you think he's lazy now, he'll show your laziness to heights you never imagined if you're foolish enough to procreate with him.

MrsClown · 25/10/2010 11:57

Hi. BlairWaldorfsHairband, you really dont have to put up with this. For a start I would cut the plug off his gamer! Get rid. Trust me, I am 50 years old and the thing I have learned in my life is that they dont change. If they are lazy now, they always will be. There are men out there who share, I am married to one!!!! He has his jobs in the house (bathroom, cooker and oven). It is just as much his responsibility as it is mine as we both work. We share the everyday jobs like cooking, hoovering etc. It is possible.

mummy2mollie · 08/02/2015 07:42

I have the same problem with my partner he would quite happily live in his own shit, and I've had enough of feeling so disrespected and worse carrying all this resentment!! I've tried having chats but they go in one ear and out the other he thinks I'm looking for an arguement. I'm fed up I work part time and he works nights and when I'm not working I'm a full time mum to a 2year old and in sept we will be having another! I don't know if it's hormones as well but I don't know if I even wanna be with him it's getting that bad!

tribpot · 08/02/2015 07:49

This is a five year old thread, mummy2mollie. You should probably start your own one in the relationships topic to get advice.

mummy2mollie · 08/02/2015 08:04

Sorry didn't realise I'm very new to this how do I do that?

tribpot · 08/02/2015 09:00

Click here and you should see an option to start a new thread.

noddingoff · 08/02/2015 16:13

Since he likes Call of Duty, could you buy him a nice present like a residential army-style fitness boot camp? One where the nice drill sergeants are like the one in Full Metal Jacket and threaten to rip your head off and shit down your neck if the sheets on the bed aren't squared off? Real soldiers do their own ironing and don't leave yoghurt pots lying around.

Magnetic1 · 08/02/2015 20:40

My wife is a cleaning perfectionist. My cleaning come close to passing her standards - I now let her do all the cleaning. It's just easier that way.

Magnetic1 · 08/02/2015 20:41

*doesn't come close

Bifauxnen · 08/02/2015 21:09

I remember blairwaldorphshairband. I wonder how it worked out for her.
Makes me feel wistful.

UncrushedParsley · 08/02/2015 21:18

Of course it is Magnetic old thread or not Sad

FuckOffGroundhog · 08/02/2015 21:23

My wife is a cleaning perfectionist.

hahahahahahaha aha hahah hahah aha

oh god. Oh god. make it stop. Your "wife". Grin bless. I thought MRAs had no sense of humour. I take it back. Genius.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 08/02/2015 21:32

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Zombie thread.....