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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lazy partner

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BlairWaldorfsHairband · 19/10/2010 13:48

Don't know where to start, just feel like I need a massive rant. Sorry for yet another thread about housework.

What the hell can I do? We've lived together 6 months or so, I feel like things are slipping out of my grasp. Today it's all come to a head and I am so unhappy (he doesn't know it at the moment).

I will try to keep it short.

He thinks he "tries" and that he is reasonable. Yes, if I ask, things will get done (eventually, or straight away accompanied by sighs). But I really fucking resent having to ask. To think about these things. When HE DOESN'T.

With the big jobs (laundry, hoovering, etc) it's almost simpler. I will say "this needs to be done" and we will do it together if laundry, or the hoovering or cleaning bathroom might get done in a few days. Washing up we alternate and do every 2 days (we both detest it). See above point re: thinking about the jobs.

What gets me is the little things. Putting things away. Especially food rubbish. Other rubbish too (from the post etc). Dirty laundry.

But mainly it's just that he NEVER thinks about these things. And he doesn't understand how I can have these things on my mind for days at a time. I have changed and become more slovenly because it is easier than "nagging". Our flat is cluttered to put it nicely. I don't like what I've become.

We've talked about it so many times. I've told him I feel it's disrespectful to me. He says he is just happier to do things when he wants to do them, and that they will get done. This means that every day there is something left out around the living room or kitchen, a yogurt pot, a glass with dried milk in the bottom, etc. I've told him that it affects how much I want sex with him. (Other issues there though, haha). He promises to do more, to make an effort. If I'm around, he will, like cleaning up after himself when he cooks.

(He used to cook more than me, that's changed lately - what a surprise! He likes it more than me too.)

Anyway. At the weekend he went away for a night with mates. A weight was lifted off my shoulders (don't feel I can do chores when he is around, you see. Makes me resentful). I cleared up, hoovered, did some laundry (that he said he was going to do before he went out). Doesn't seem like much but I wrote down what I had done and included all the little things. (Like "put yogurt pot in bin" or "put dirty towels in laundry basket now there is space".)

He came home, said "It looks really tidy, thanks!" and hasn't lifted a finger to do anything since, except wash up last night when it was his turn. The kitchen is a tip again, laundry needs doing, dirty pants on floor in bedroom.

I could go on but I am sure this is getting boring.

We have tried rotas (didn't work for long because we go away to visit family on weekends fairly often) and separating chores (can't agree; he WON'T clean the bathroom every time and will only take the "nice" chores like hoovering and laundry rather than the ones where you get dirty). Besides, this doesn't address the "small" issues.

I think he is lazy. He plays Call of Duty on the PS3 each night for at least 2 hours.

My latest idea is to put up and shut up for a month and write down EVERYTHING that I do. But then what? He always wriggles out of it.

I've read the Politics of Housework. I'm not sure if he thinks I should do it all (maybe he does, but doesn't realise it) or if he is just really lazy. He calls me nagging too.

I am aware that I'm a cliche :( Just so worried that it will be much, much worse when we have kids. Why is it so damn hard?

I'm so unhappy today :( thanks for reading.

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EvilAntsAndMiasmas · 19/10/2010 17:19

Cor good for you NQN - totally agree. I would never want to have sex with someone for whom I was performing parental tasks. One of my favourite things about DP is that he is a competent adult who does not need looking after. We look after each other at times, because we're partners, but not out of necessity/because one person's too lazy.

OP - you really really shouldn't have to. But the only choices are:

a) continue as you are
b)leave
c)try to change things

EvilAntsAndMiasmas · 19/10/2010 17:21

"He just needs a girlfriend who isn't a feminist!" - That is the definition of a bastard, surely?

booooooooooyhoo · 19/10/2010 17:23

no he just needs to go back to his mum and for her to kick him up the arse and say 'be a feckin man. i didn't raise you do disprespect your partner. now get back over there and do what you're supposed to.'

BlairWaldorfsHairband · 19/10/2010 17:28

Sorry boooooooyhoo, I don't meant to confuse.
What usually happens is we do share things but I get stressed and he does the stuff when I bring it up (he still doesn't really see the little stuff). Once a month or so I will say I am not happy. This time I have given up and am leaving things like he does (in terms of hoovering, laundry, bathroom) and still tidying up after dinner and after myself. That's why I'm calling myself stubborn and at the moment I'm not resigned to doing the chores but holding out like he does. Not that he would notice.

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vastingavay · 19/10/2010 17:32

They do see the things that need doing. They just think that someone else will do it. Then they think that someone else should do it.

booooooooooyhoo · 19/10/2010 17:32

ah right. i see what you mean. the otehr psot read liek you thought you were in teh wronf for wanting him to do his share.

booooooooooyhoo · 19/10/2010 17:32

sorry for atrocious spelling. still not used to new keyborad

booooooooooyhoo · 19/10/2010 17:35

i agree vasting. i remember wehn EXps mum went into hospital. their DD was 14 and her dad yelled at her afetr the first day because she didn't have the dinner on, washing done or hoovering done. she said, she didn't know she was expected to take over everything in teh hosue. and he said "well your ma's not ehre to do it so who the hell else is going to do it?" bearing in mind EXp still lived tehre and was at college part time and the dad was tehre. she was 14 and at school everyday.

BlairWaldorfsHairband · 19/10/2010 17:47

I think I am going to suggest that we both make an effort to sort out what needs doing (there isn't even that much) when we get in each night. If there isn't anything one night, great. Even if I have to point stuff out to him, I think I'd be able to cope - it would be a start.

I'm loathe to mention leaving him because I don't like saying things that can't be easily forgotten but maybe it will be necessary.

If he manages to have an objection to that, well, I'll have my answer (I think it's a reasonable suggestion).

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BalloonSlayer · 19/10/2010 17:55

Apologies for misunderstanding, Blair.

Also I didn't notice that this was in the Feminism topic, think your comment "He needs a girlfriend who is not a feminist" is spot on.

ScaryFucker · 19/10/2010 18:07

It sounds like he needs a domestic appliance with a fanny, tbh

or another mother (forget about the fanny bit there, because that would be a bit wrong)

EvilAntsAndMiasmas · 19/10/2010 18:24

Not even sure about the fanny tbh given the OP's sex comment.

And he likes dirt so doesn't need the domestic appliance.

And he only wants to spend time with the virtual boys, so no polite conversation needed.

The man just needs a teddy and have done. :(

ScaryFucker · 19/10/2010 18:32

you might be right, EA

HerBeatitude · 19/10/2010 18:39

Why are you afraid of tellng him that you're so unhappy you've thought about leaving?

It's true. He needs to know it.

Quite often, men don't understand that a woman is actually serious about something she is complaining about, until she has had enough and leaves. At that point, he then gets it, realises that she did actually mean it, acknowledges that he should have taken her seriously in the first place and shouldn't have done whatever it is she was complaining about, begs her to forgive him and come back, promising to change - and the woman in question realises that she doesn't want to come back, because his treatment of her has resulted in her having ceased to love him.

Do you want to wait until it gets to that point? Isn't it better that he knows now, how much of a dealbreaker this is for you? Use the word "dealbreaker" in any conversation you have with him, because I think it is a word men understand.

Although why you want to stay with him is frankly beyond me. If you are having sexual issues now, 6 months into moving in with him, I suspect your sex life will always be crap. And that is a really awful prospect.

amothersplaceisinthewrong · 19/10/2010 18:43

Hire a cleaner and split the cost.

dittany · 19/10/2010 18:51

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Ragwort · 19/10/2010 20:38

Sorry if I've missed it but you still haven't said exactly what you get out of this relationship (unless its just the cheaper share of the rent) - please enlighten us.

Another thought - perhaps he's realised that you are not right for him so he is deliberately avoiding the housework etc rather than suggesting you separate - therefore enabling him to say 'she left me'.

ooooozathon · 19/10/2010 20:38

Of course amothers - a cleaner!

Try that first. He has to pay half. If that doesn't fix things for both of you, you know it's a deeper problem and need to out serious thought into finding someone you're better suited to.

ScaryFucker · 19/10/2010 20:48

I don't agree with getting a cleaner

It won't solve the central problem of him being a lzy bugger who expects to be picked up after

If Op has Dc with him and becomes a SAHM or reduces her salary in some way, they may not be able to afford a cleaner.

then she isn't just back at square one, she is about fifty fucking steps behind, tbh

ScaryFucker · 19/10/2010 20:49

lazy

BlairWaldorfsHairband · 19/10/2010 20:57

Again thanks everyone, I really appreciate the replies!

As soon as we got in I brought it up. (We share lifts as we work near each other) He knows I was in a bad mood this morning, so he gave me a cuddle and I told him that I was very unhappy about it and had a suggestion that I wanted us to do. I said that when we get in each night we should both take a few minutes to tidy up or get chores done. To his credit he agreed straight away. I didn't mention deal breaker but I got the point across that this was a massive deal for me.

Then I went and had a shower and meanwhile he folded the dry washing and started dinner. After dinner I made sure we both cleared the kitchen and sat down together. It was basically how I wish things could be every night. I'm under no illusions this might not happen and might be hard sometimes but if it works, I think I will be so much happier.

I'm glad I wrote this here because you have all really helped - it was so nice to be able to say "I'm unhappy and this is what I want" rather than just "I'm unhappy but I don't know what will help." Plus I will be able to read back how I felt and make sure I really stay on top of this. He knows how serious I am now.

I realise it might come across that I don't get much out of the relationship but it's easy to jump to that conclusion when all you have to go on is my ranting post about one aspect of it.

(PS - the sex issues is a red herring. I was raped when I was a teenager and that is what's causing the problems. I'm organising some therapy for it at the moment. No sex life problems with me and DP separately from that!)

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ScaryFucker · 19/10/2010 21:08

ok, sounding good so far, blair

btw, I am very sorry about your past experience and how it is possibly still affecting you today

if my semi-lighthearted references to domestic appliances with a fanjo were hurtful to you, I wholeheartedly apologise

BlairWaldorfsHairband · 19/10/2010 21:28

Oh no! No offense taken from anything anyone's said, of course the assumption would have been that the issues were between me and my DP :)

I agree about the cleaner, I wouldn't get one until a long time in the future when we are comfortable with how things are and settled in our "roles". If we got one now it would feel like just avoiding the issue.

Anyway, if this doesn't work I don't know what I will do. Probably accept that it's not going to work between us. Fair enough - I'll know I tried!

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spidookly · 19/10/2010 21:29

Your DP sounds a bit like me, and you a bit like DH.

(I often forget to unload the washing from the machine, for eg.)

One difference between us is that DH can't really relax until all the chores are done, but I can. If I'm tired after a day of work, or doing something online I will leave the kitchen a mess and do it the next day. He wants it done.

So should I do housework to his schedule? I don't think that's fair. We have 2 small children, if we did chores until they were all done we would never do anything else. I don't want to live like that. I'd prefer to have piles of washing all over the house than never get to chill out.

I also don't spend much time thinking about chores.

Luckily DH doesn't demand that I care about the kitchen being tidy as much as he does. He says I'm not lazy (which shows that love is blind) and I do try to make sure I do my share. But I will not compete with him to do jobs late at night. If he wants to do chores then rather than leave my share for me to do tomorrow, that's up to him.

From what you describe this guy is trying, but you want him to do the work to your standards and schedule. Is that really fair? You sound quite fussy to me, but I grew up in a housework-free zone, so my standards are low.

That said, it shouldn't be this much work (the relationship, not the chores). If you are this wound up and cross with him all the time maybe time to move on before you make each other miserable.

BlairWaldorfsHairband · 19/10/2010 21:38

Yup spidookly. I know that he is lazier whereas I like things to be done when I think of them, otherwise they stress me out. But I have definitely become more relaxed - I can ignore stuff like smelly socks on the sofa.

And my standards aren't that high - ideally we'd hoover once a week, clean the bathroom once a week, do laundry when needed, and clean up after ourselves when we make any other mess. If that is "high standards" I'll be surprised. The issue is that he is happy to leave things like cleaning the bathroom for literally weeks and weeks, when it is his turn according to our loose agreement to take turns with things like that.

I wish I didn't spend much time thinking about chores - I'm envious that he can let it all pass him by. But someone has to think about it and at the moment it's all me. We'll see in future though.

Yes, he does try :) Then usually stops trying after about a week. (Expect an update from me in a week?? haha)

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