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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

X-Factor producers forcing girls into sexualised dress?

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Eurostar · 09/10/2010 14:32

I haven't watched X-factor for a few years but thought I'd youtube Gamu today as I was wondering who this person is who is all over the news.

I saw her first audition - looking like a teen, quite modestly dressed, you could concentrate on her voice and her presentation

Saw her boot camp audition (later in the process I presume) - horrible short, tight skirt, patterned tights, heels you could break your ankle on, tiny very low cut top. Hair hardened into a style that looked old for her age.

Would this change happen without pressure from the producers to dress in a sexualised way? I'd be interested to know from TV people posting here, I believe there are some on the site?

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Sakura · 17/10/2010 12:12

I think claig's POV is that right-wing = more rights to the individual. Left wing= more power to the state. So if you expect the state to support single mothers, for example, don't be suprised if they then start dicating how many children you can have.

I think..

claig · 17/10/2010 12:17

Riven, but then you get into the discussion of were teh Nazis leftwing, as Norman Tebbitt said, because they were socialists, just national socialists as opposed to the international socialists of communism. The Nazis were social Darwinists, and it is usually rightwing Christian organistions in the US that are against some of the paths to which scientific Darwinism may lead.

Yes you are right, they are nutcases. But were HG Wells and George Bernard Shaw nutcases? They influenced a lot of Fabians. Is Sir Jonathon Porritt a nutcase?

claig · 17/10/2010 12:20

Sakura yes that is exactly it. In my view it comes down to freedom and civil liberties and a controlling big state that knows best. We saw the Big Brother state that was intent on removing our civil liberties and now we see the Coalition scrapping hundreds of their laws and regulations.

sarah293 · 17/10/2010 12:21

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claig · 17/10/2010 12:28

I agree with you Riven, that is why I believe in small government, so that they are not constantly telling the public what to do. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The bigger the state gets, quite often the worse it gets.

Sakura · 17/10/2010 12:31

But a small state perpetuates the injustice of the class system

sarah293 · 17/10/2010 12:32

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claig · 17/10/2010 12:36

I think we need to campaign so that our taxes in a small state are really spent on the people and health and education and the vulnerable and providing for social mobility and equality. We are a rich country, but so much of our tax money is blown willy nilly on wasteful governemnt projects like the Millenium Dome and even the Olympics and endless wars, when it could be spent on the people themselves.

sarah293 · 17/10/2010 12:37

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claig · 17/10/2010 12:40

You're right. We need a new party.

sarah293 · 17/10/2010 12:55

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Sakura · 17/10/2010 12:57

Can I tag along?

sarah293 · 17/10/2010 12:59

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claig · 17/10/2010 13:00

That's it, we're all united, all in it together, we've sorted it. How could anyone not vote for us, when they look at the characters that the opposition would put up against us?

sarah293 · 17/10/2010 13:02

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claig · 17/10/2010 13:04

Policies, we'll make them up on the hoof, like the other parties do

anastaisia · 17/10/2010 13:05

left/right wing is about economics rather than who would be facist or liberal.

You can be left wing authoritarian (like the Nazi's, the BNP and to a lesser extent New Labour). Communism would be the extreme of this.

You can be left wing economically but more socially liberal (where perhaps the SDP would have been before the merger to create the lib dems).

You can be somewhere in the middle economically, but still be very authoritarian or libertarian.

And you can take the same thing over to the right.

Sakura · 17/10/2010 13:06

LOL

anastaisia · 17/10/2010 13:06

ooops, cross posted with the plans for (world?)domination.

Ignore my post, carry on with your plans :)

Sakura · 17/10/2010 13:07

X posts Blush

Sakura · 17/10/2010 13:08

you can be in too, anastasia. We need someone who knows what they're doing..
On second thoughts, you might be a hindrance

sarah293 · 17/10/2010 13:08

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anastaisia · 17/10/2010 13:10

Please let me:

Second policy (after nappies) should be: redecorate house of commons so that instead of two sides fighting each other we create smoooth lines and encourage a more polite consensus seeking style of debate :)

sarah293 · 17/10/2010 13:10

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anastaisia · 17/10/2010 13:11

rainbow?