X-Factor producers forcing girls into sexualised dress?

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I haven't watched X-factor for a few years but thought I'd youtube Gamu today as I was wondering who this person is who is all over the news.

I saw her first audition - looking like a teen, quite modestly dressed, you could concentrate on her voice and her presentation

Saw her boot camp audition (later in the process I presume) - horrible short, tight skirt, patterned tights, heels you could break your ankle on, tiny very low cut top. Hair hardened into a style that looked old for her age.

Would this change happen without pressure from the producers to dress in a sexualised way? I'd be interested to know from TV people posting here, I believe there are some on the site?

hmmm...maybe the media is right wing and claig is a mole trying to convince leftie Marxists like myself to change sides...

One thing claig is right about is that the media hates feminists

And muslims

that's true

Dadaism was primarily an anti-war art movement born out of horror at the slaughter of the First World War. It turned into Surrealism, which then faded. I truly doubt that Brian Friedman or Simon Cowell know (or care) anything about Dadaism. It had nothing to do with pop music or being sexy!

I don'T think you're a mole claig, I love your posts. It is difficult for one person to switch ideologies, and I don'T think I'm going to become a Tory anytime soon. But you have persuaded me against the big revolution and strong state, so your writing has worked on me to a certain extent.

Riven, it's got nothing really to do with the underclasses. these people use the underclasses and stir them up. But come the revolution, they do what they did in George Orwell's 'Animal Farm', they betray the people, because they were never on the people's side in the first place.

The Daily Mail is not great, but it doesn't hate the working classes. I don't read all of the Daily Mail, but is it really disablist? I hope not.

Here is one article, where it gives a voice to a parent of a disabled child

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1317786/Caring-disabled-daughter-enriched-lives.html

in reponse to an agony aunt Virginia Ironside, who said
said 'a loving mother' would abort an unwanted or disabled baby, and praised abortion as 'a moral and unselfish act'.
These are thoughts that are so common among progressives, and I have not seen them among Daily Mail articles, although I may be wrong.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317400/Virginia-Ironside-sparks-BBC-outrage-Id-suffocate-child-end-suffering.html

haha I don'T know what dadaism is either CCF, but I think the shock factor is definitely designed to desensitise the populace. It serves capitalism by keeping women down and in their place as the sexual underclass whose main purpose is decorative consumers or as a sex class

Riven, political cartoons are a much older art-form than Dadaism, hundreds of years older. The most famous Dadaist art is made by Marcel Duchamp (who exhibited a urinal an called it 'a fountain') and George Grosz who made grotesque paintings of freakish and maimed people. It peaked around 1917/18

I am with Sakura and Riven for a better world. The world isn't perfect and none of the parties are perfect, but I think that some are much worse than others, because some are in teh control of people who want to restrict our freedoms, destroy our society and epater le bourgeois.

Many feminists, such as Germaine Greer do not support wanton abortion. Abortion is not a 'choice'. That's outdated choice feminism.

Ideally, women should be enabled to keep any baby they fall pregnant with by receiving financial and practical state support. I personally am against the patriarchal control that hospitals wield over women, so I did not have a scan when I was pregnant. I abhor any hint of eugenics.

Dadaism was the opposite of commercialism and glossy presentation of images. The shock value was an attempt to change the society that had led to the pointless horrors of the First World War. Some Dadaists died in the concentration camps. (I studied this period for A level, many many years ago). The Futurists were Fascists, not the Dadaists.

Yes the Mail is sensationalist and likes to write stories about scroungers and money that is wasted by big government etc.

But it also is usually against any hint of eugenics such as sterlisation of teenage girls as proposed by the left wing, Fay Weldon, and a policy of "long term contraception" as proposed by Labour's Dawn Primarolo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-514542/Why-sterilise-teenage-girls---temporarily-least.html

Yes Dave and co. are the bourgeois or even upper classes. But they don't really control the media. They can't do much about MTV etc.

claig, come on, anyone who talks about sterilization of teenage girls must be regarded as a nutcase, not seen as a good representative of left-wing ideology

I don't think they hate teenage mothers, I bet some of their reporters' mothers were teenage mothers too. They are anti big government and always look for stories about waste etc. and it is true that they do smear teenage mothers as a result of that policy. None of the papers are ideal, and they aren't either. I usually ignore those stories, because I know what angle they are coming from, but I agree thay are not nice.

So will anybody complain about the groping?

Sakura, unfortunately, I don't think they are nutcases, I think some of these people are quite influential. As Riven says
"I loathe this current move to eugenics though scanning and the assumption any imperfect child will be terminated. Its now seen as 'the norm'. Heck, we see it on here."

It goes hand in hand with their advocacy of euthanasia, and even greens like Sir Jonathon Porritt, who tell us that we should move to a situation where having more than two children is seen as being irresponsible fto the planet. I think eugenecists, such as the Fabians HG Wells and Geortge Bernard Shaw, still exist, and they have historically mainly been on the left. Historically, it is only really the Church that has opposed them as a political force.

they are nutcases, there's no doubt about that. Being influential and being a nutcase are not mutually exclusive. THat is like me bringing up some random nutcase Christian right-winger in the US as an example of conservatism. OR that one-eyed hook pirate Muslim fundamentalist preacher as a representative of Islam