Feminism chat thread

[ElephantsAndMiasmas]

Hello

Been saying for ages that it'd be nice to have an area for just saying hi, letting off some steam and sharing the little things that don't warrant a whole thread.

So, I'll start...

My brother made me :o:o:o last night when we were talking about some crap sexist song. And he said (in all honesty) - well this is just one of the millions of ways the patriarchy keeps itself going.

Also got the updated email from the Feminism in London conference this morning - can't wait.

Anyone else?

They really are. That's the joy of them.

Just in your living room Prolesworth? I run up and down the high street doing it.

The depressing thing is that these men are getting off on being all shouty and telling everyone how wrong they are, and the topic of conversation is rape. Why do some men think it is appropriate to go and shout at women who are talking about rape?

It's pretty nasty over there isn't it. I do wonder whether the ignore tactic might work - but everyone would have to do it and actively engage with each other. It's the no he didn't say/mean that that does my head in, along with the totally patronising put downs.

FYI here is the text I wrote when I reported the disgusting "Dittany, have you ever [x,y,x]" post:

This is obviously sexual bullying, designed to degrade and humiliate.
I am very upset to see this at all on mumsnet but I am particularly disturbed that it is in the Feminist section.
It seems clear to me that to self identify on these boards as feminist, as in many arenas of real life, is to expose oneself as a target of sexual bullying. This makes me very sad as this should be a safe place for women.

Well said vezzie. It is horrible and for all those of you who are getting involved - just a great deal of admiration! I cannot believe that they are arguing to remove anonymity for rape victims. It is incredibly sad that we take one step forward for women's rights and then we constantly have to justify that position and constantly risk having it taken away agin by pricks like those two.

the more I think about the way people like this hunt feminist discussions out, the more angry I am becoming. I know mn is not private, but this is not the same as having a feminist POV shut down at work, say, where the anti-feminists might feel that they are being personally threatened by it, or having specific privileges challenged by it. Under those circumstances it is still annoying but you can see why the dinosaurs are personally motivated to stand up for the status quo where it particularly benefits them. Here, this is like having a quiet informal chatty meeting in a bar and being harrassed and hectored by men who won't leave you alone, pretend they just want to talk, get increasingly aggressive and finally sexually insulting.
I am really deeply pissed off that arseholes who like to do that have found their way to the feminist section of mn.

yes they do hunt feminists out, and their sense of entitlement is breathtaking.

As women's liberation progresses we're going to see all kinds of behaviour come out of the woodwork. They say that the booming porn industry is connected to men's inability to cope with the fact they can't lord it over the women in their lives anymore.

vezzie - good post and sums up how I feel!

IamKrusty, there may well be a lot of truth in that but I do believe many men are becoming victims of the dangers of porn too.

Men are being conditioned by early exposure to porn and it is effecting their ability or desire to have real relationships.

Oh I agree, QueenBath.
It's just that it's women who are being physically harmed in porn, brutally harmed in fact. And women's sexuality is being affected too because men expect them to behave like women in porn (who are in fact prostitutes because they're being paid to have sex- well I say sex, but double anal, fisting, and the rest of it can hardly be described as sex if you're being paid to do it)
So while porn most definitely have a bad effect on men, the effects are miniscule compared to the way it affects womens' lives

Assange. Men I guess, or man I am wondering. You'll have a lot to plough through but you only really need to sample. It's pretty repetitive.

Iam IamKrusty... the "visitors" on the other thread accused me of being Krusty. FUck knows what they're on about. They obviously watch too much Simpsons though

I know, I'm already worried about DS Sex is one of life's pleasures; I want my children to have great sex with their partners. But fat chance of that if porn gets to either of them first. There are all kinds of ways that porn targets kids these days. remember that 2 girls 1 cup incident and Dr Pepper.

I have two sons and I really want them to have happy, long lasting relationships.

The damage that online porn, webcamming and all this other stuff is having on young poeple is really worrying.

So the thread with the muppets on is assange. off to have a look now.

It makes me sick that the Left supports porn under the guise of freedom of speech. What about the freedom of women to be regarded as human beings and not be degraded in porn? OR children?

sakura I liked your namechange