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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

working mothers

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novicemama · 10/09/2010 10:02

The company I work for is signed up with 'wellbeing works' - this is part of our 'benefits' and there are helplines you can use etc. Every week they send out an email, usually with articles about health, stress in the workplace, your workplace rights etc. I have already had to complain to them once this year about an article entitled 'Rape: don't become another statistic' warning women not to drink too much or give off mixed messages to male colleagues in the pub Hmm

Now today I see [[http://eu.healthinsite.net/ContentViewerPane/ContentViewerPane.aspx?cookie=2100001605&Content=5914&ContentType=2
this little gem]] about working mothers and how to deal with having to spend nights away from your family.

I don't know where to start really, there are just SO MANY things in there that make my blood boil. Would anyone like to kick off? And any input into the complaint email I'll be sending this afternoon would be welcomed too!

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AllarmBells · 10/09/2010 11:34

Ugh.

It MUST have been pasted from some 1950s American nonsense...please, let it be that no actual human has written this stuff in the last 60 years.

Your response is fantastic novicemama. Anything I could add would ruin the lovely calm yet forceful tone!

My stepfather was looked after by his dad while his mum worked, with no problems. He was born in 1926. This stuff isn't new FFS.

Anifrangapani · 10/09/2010 11:43

My dh would be wondering if I had run off with someone else if I left love notes for him, and the kids would get lost in the fluff /dust under the sofa looking for presents.

purits · 10/09/2010 11:44

I totally agree with all the indignation expressed here. However, in addition to objecting on principle can you also pin illegality (sex discrimination) on them; that might get their atentionHmm.
We need flowerybeanbag.

AllarmBells · 10/09/2010 11:45

God I just reread it and saw the technology bit. Someone really did write this. Sad Angry

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cestlavielife · 10/09/2010 11:55

is it a large american chairty?

your points are good but i would also send an annotated version of their article poitning out a few things eg - :

When Mommy's miles away

-we are all in uk and most of us are mum/mummy. we have been mothers for some time and really do know the "basics". -

IN BRIEF: If you are a working mom who travels, you're probably riddled with guilt.

  • no not at all. i work to contribute to my family and we are all very happy with this arrangement -

And although you've laid out schedules, cooked meals, orchestrated back-up plans and drilled emergency numbers into every family member's memory, you still have guilt gnawing at your conscience and impending goodbyes twisting your gut.

-no not really. we all support each other. no schedules needed as my husband [or the nanny - some of us are single parents relying on paid help] ] is perfectly capable of looking after the household in my absence. he does not leave schedules/cooked meals etc when he goes away - so why should I? -

A few simple ideas can help your children (and your hubby!) get through those lonely and stressful days without you.

  • they are neither lonely nor stressful. they manage just fine for a few days -

Prepare your family in advance. Don't spring it on them at the last minute. Tell your family, particularly your children, well in advance that you are going away for a while. If your children are very young, mark off the dates when you will be leaving and returning on a calendar. Also show them where you'll be going on a map or pictures of the place, and chat to them about what you will be doing there

  • as you know, travel for this organization is usually one/two/five days to a UK location - we are not talking about traks to theAndes... it is patronising to suggest i might disappear without telling my family where and for how long i am going. -

Prepare meals in advance.

-see above. there is no need -

As a child who had to eat greasy, corner-shop hamburgers for three days straight (barring breakfast, of course) while my mom had to go to hospital, I'm begging you: please prepare meals in advance and freeze them. Munching on mommy's meals will remind them of how much you love them, and won't put them off hamburgers for life!

-clearly the author has a Big Problem around food. and perhaps in his 1950s childhood "mom" did indeed do all thecooking. but we are in 2010. I can assure you that in my home, both mother and father are equally capable of cooking nutritious and simple hoem emals, whether pasta and pestto or a roast chicken. mc donalds are strictly once a month for good behaviour and this doesnt change when one of us is away. moreover, in worst case scenario, Tesco's finest does a fine range of ready meals which beat your grissly burger. -

Write everything down. Write down important arrangements, appointments, emergency names and numbers.

  • as an efficiently run household all important arrangements are already in our weekly diary. -

Also make a copy of your itinerary and the name of the place you will be staying at, with the room and telephone number. Leave these documents in a central place and make sure everybody knows where to find it

  • of course. quite sensible advice. with modern communication it is hard to "disappear" -

Leave little love notes. These are great for husbands and children. Slip a little "I love you" or "I miss you" into a lunch box or under a pillow, it's always nice to hear

  • yuck. we dont do love notes in our family. each to their own. please dont try and dictate how families should demonstrate their love for each other -

Keep in touch. Technology has made it so much easier to stay in touch. So use your cell to phone home or send an email. If you have a web-cam, you can even send a little virtual kiss. Alternatively, there are many free e-cards available online

-quite. thanks. -

Record yourself. This is particularly great for young children (and, once again, for husbands!). Record yourself reading your child's favourite bedtime story. Your child will love turning the pages to your voice while you're away. You could also leave little recorded (tape or video) messages for each day you'll be gone

  • again, a lovely idea but see above - you dont send us to afghanistan, you tend to send us to norwich. my husband is quite capable of reading the bedtime story -

Hide some treasures. Also great for the whole family. Hide some gifts, chocolates, notes or tapes before you go. Leave a treasure map or send hints via email or SMS. You could also give them hints when you talk to them on the phone

  • nice idea if it is a birthday party but this comes across as patronising. who has the time to organize a love trail every time they go on the work trip to norwich? -

Make arrangements for important events. If you're going to miss an important event, make an arrangement to see it one way or another. Ask your husband to tape it for you, or request for example, that you go to a rehearsal or practice session

  • again quite sensible advice but fits in the "teaching grandmother to suck eggs category" -

Ask your child to pack a personal reminder. Whether it's a drawing, a toy or a photo of the two of you together, your child will love the idea of packing something that will remind you that he or she is at home waiting for you.

  • actually my children will be too busy having fun, but again, while nice idea, it isnt exactly novel - my workaday handbag is always full of reminders of my children, from scribbled paper, to bogey filled tissues, to scrunched up reminders from school about nits -

It will also make the hotel room a little warmer

  • no the hotel room will be warmer with extra duvet. as you can appeciate, the hotel will be a lovely opportunity to have a big double bed all to myself with out childrens legs and elbows and midnight calls from the one who needs the toilet/had a nite mare. bliss!! -

Little reminders that you love them will make the time pass quicker.

  • i will be far too busy working - or enjoying some free time to read a book in peace. please dont worry about me. -

And if you've ever felt under-appreciated or haven't yet received that medal for being a doing-it-all mom, be assured that you will feel the appreciation the second you walk through the front door.

  • frankly, i never feel under appreciated. nor do i need a medal for being a paid up member of society. i do not need to be patronised. and the second i walk thru the door it will be lovely but full on "mummmeeee i need a poo!"
"mumee can i have a ....." "mummmeeee she hit me!"
edam · 10/09/2010 11:56

allarmbells - actually the technology bit is another Americanism (cell instead of mobile) that the lazy sexist fucker hasn't bothered to correct. My bet is the company providing this 'service' has just cut and pasted it from some crappy website.

StarlightMcKenzie · 10/09/2010 11:58

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novicemama · 10/09/2010 12:02

Starlight I think I love you, would love a recording of my DH saying 'WHO'S DOWNSTAIRS? I HAVE A BASEBALL BAT' just to freak out visitors Grin. So to add to the complementary 'advice for Daddys' email:

  1. Make sure you've done all outstanding DIY jobs and locked the power tools in the shed, the poor moppet will only do herself a mischief if she tries to fix things in your absence
  1. Leave clear instructions for her indoors on 'dos and don'ts' when driving the car, plus the phone number of a good mechanic
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StealthPolarBear · 10/09/2010 12:10

Plus mark a line on your favourite bottle of whiskey so you will see if the little woman has been drinking it in your absence

GetOrfMoiLand · 10/09/2010 12:16

lolol 'you don't send us to Afghanistan, you tend to send us to Norwich'

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JudgeJudithSheindlin · 10/09/2010 12:39

Could you imagine asking for a day off to cook meals for the freezer, prepare love notes and a feckin' treasure hunt?

tortoiseonthehalfshell · 10/09/2010 12:44

OMG Novice, that is fucking hilarious.

Brilliant complaint, can't add a thing. I'm too busy giggling.

sethstarkaddersmum · 10/09/2010 12:51

Cestlavie - rofl @ '- actually my children will be too busy having fun, but again, while nice idea, it isnt exactly novel - my workaday handbag is always full of reminders of my children, from scribbled paper, to bogey filled tissues, to scrunched up reminders from school about nits - '

quite!

LadyBiscuit · 10/09/2010 12:57

I have to go to Buckinghamshire to a training centre next week. I think I will sit my DS down this evening and start preparing him for the experience. I'm sure I could put together a slide show of the venue and local area :)

ullainga · 10/09/2010 12:58

I just read this and my eyeballs popped out. I'm not often speachless but..wow.

Grin at "feckin' treasure hunt"

Hm actually I have a week-long business trip coming up next week. Guess I better start making schedules and to-do list for DH and freezing meals so they would not have to eat hamburgers, the poor things.

DH would think I've totally lost it Grin

notquitenormal · 10/09/2010 13:11

A whole week away? You need to do more than schedules. You need to employ a crack team of logistic professionals and arrange for a resident psychotherapist to provide vital emotional support.

Anything less and you wont be able to cope with the guilt.

AllarmBells · 10/09/2010 13:14

edam yes you are quite right, another crappy cut and paste from American drivel.
I wouldn't exactly describe a chat over webcam as a "virtual kiss"...

I signed up for a Women in Business email newsletter once, not sure why....the email itself looked OK but when you followed the links they were obviously computer-generated links to American stuff from 2002 about "how to dress for success" etc. "Always wear pantyhose!"

It was complete crap but I couldn't be bothered to unsubscribe UNTIL one week the main article was "Ten Things To Do With An Avocado". What, in the office? Stick it up ten idiots' arses?

StealthPolarBear · 10/09/2010 13:14

Maybe when you're working away you could pack all the ingredients and a camping stove so you can spend your time away productively creating homemade meals for nrxt time you are away. That also resolves the guilt issues of having some time to yourself - you will be spending it to the benefit of the family.

LadyBiscuit · 10/09/2010 13:15

AllarmBells :o

TheCrackFox · 10/09/2010 13:15

I think if you are going to go away for an entire week then you really have to do the decent thing and have your mother move in to take over the entire operation. On no account could a man be left in charge that long. Wink

ullainga · 10/09/2010 13:20

allarmBells , I had a similar experience. new magazine out, advertised as about and for successful businesswomen..

and yes, the whole magazine was about dressing and make-up tips and all articles about successful women discussed their choice of lipsticks (really!) and how they manage the family and housework. Unbelievable.

The darn thing didn't even burn properly..

ullainga · 10/09/2010 13:24

CrackFox well of course, it's not like i would leave small kids home alone! (with their father)