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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Do you think that men are oppressed?

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poshsinglemum · 20/08/2010 18:55

For example; the traditional male role is to go out and work so technically men are oppressed by capitalism. Aren't they? Mabe not as oppressed as us girls are though. Thoughts please.

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claig · 06/12/2010 21:40

it's a depressing world view. If you are thinking like that when you are 23, you are on a downward slope.

Life is good, cheer up, follow the advice of Monty Python "always look on the bright side of life". Not everyone is cheating, scheming and trying to grab money for babies. The world is what you make it, you see what you want to. Change your outlook, be positive, snap out of it, and spot the goodness, love and kindness all around.

Turn Jerry Springer off and watch something good. Change your outlook, do a sport, set goals. You've only got one life, don't go through it hating half of humanity. Open your eyes, your mind and your heart, and the world will look a different place.

sixpercenttruejedi · 06/12/2010 21:47

Monty Python!Grin What did the feminists ever do for us?!
well, apart from the education, the sanitation throughout childbirth, the pill and other means of family planning, the abililty to own your own bank account, doctor confidentiality, owning your own property etc.
What Have The Feminists Ever Done For Us?!
Funny how the MRA movement doesn't have any kind of comparable triumphs to compare.

HerBeatitude · 06/12/2010 22:30

God Jeremy Kyle, Jerry Springer - got a lot to answer for. They are just the patriarchy's latest weapon to make us all hate each other.

I was thinking this earier on. The history of the patriarchy has in a sense been a history of the denial of love between the two halves of humanity - the business of humanity they said, is commerce, war, and controlling as many other people as possible; romantic love was an unimportant diversion. And yet with the exception of a few great war epics like the Iliad, the great literature of most human societies, has dealt with heterosexual romantic love between men and women, the impossibility of their love within whichever rigid patriarchal society they were in, adn their desperate determination to risk total destruction in their defiance to pursue that love against the rules of their society.

It's a really interesting psychological phenomenon that. Why weren't the great dramas about commerce, setting up empires, the "important" stuff? It's like people recognised the lack of balance in society and tried to express it somehow in their literature. Women were effectively wiped out of public life, but the need for them to be there in art and literature, re-asserted itself again and again and the greatest expressions of human culture, haven't been teh story of how a new adminstration for administering taxes was set up by a conquerig army, it's been the story of how couples defied the gods, their families, their destinies, for love. Patriarchy just can't seem to stamp it out.

Sakura · 07/12/2010 07:38

HB, Kate Millet in Sexual politics (sorry for going on about it, but there is an ounce of genius in every single line) explains that all patriarchies have always gone out of their way to make sure that heterosexual love has never been the basis of coupledom/marriage. They've striven to make men and women procreate on any other basis, anything but love.
" Medieval opinion was firm in its conviction that love was sinful if sexual, and sex sinful if loving"
And yet... as you say, women (and men) reinvent the wheel with each generation, and the cracks in patriarchy are revealed.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 07/12/2010 09:52

that's so interesting, Sakura.

That's true - no-one was supposed to enjoy sex, were they. And women used to have to come and be purified at the church after giving birth, to atone for their filthiness in having sex/giving birth presumably.

HerBeatitude · 07/12/2010 11:43

I'm going to have to read some Millet aren't I

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